More Telus Union Brainwashing.

[FireFly]

Oh, I don't worry about my safety. Telus is doing what they can to protect it, but I'm really quite unconcerned about what they'll do to me. However, posting a picture of someone on the internet without their permission is considered an invasion of privacy, and on the website, was actually defaming their character, not just by calling them scabs. I actually believe I'm sticking up for my morals by not picketing. I respect those who feel the union is right, and are out there picketing for their cause... I just don't believe in it.

Certainly it could be argued that I've been brainwashed... However, I took the time to read the contract, and don't see anything wrong with it. The clauses that the union apparently has issue with were taken out of context, and are part of longer clauses that actually guarantee me work.

Would you have argued that the NHL had brainwashed those who were replacement players, had it come to that? Probably not. Why? Because you knew the union wouldn't win that battle.........

[dustygoon]

I hear that some people in BC are losing phone service intermittently/temporarily. Safety becomes an issue. I hope Gordon Campbell legislates these muppets back to work.

[FireFly]

Originally posted by dustygoon@Jul 26 2005, 10:19 AM
I hear that some people in BC are losing phone service intermittently/temporarily. Safety becomes an issue. I hope Gordon Campbell legislates these muppets back to work.

Yeah, the union I'm supposed to support keeps cutting lines on people. Actually, if Campbell were to force them back to work, it would probably only get worse. Not to mention that in the pro-union province of BC, they actually support the union....

[Bertuzzied]

Originally posted by FireFly+Jul 26 2005, 04:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (FireFly @ Jul 26 2005, 04:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-dustygoon@Jul 26 2005, 10:19 AM
I hear that some people in BC are losing phone service intermittently/temporarily.# Safety becomes an issue.# I hope Gordon Campbell legislates these muppets back to work.

Yeah, the union I'm supposed to support keeps cutting lines on people. Actually, if Campbell were to force them back to work, it would probably only get worse. Not to mention that in the pro-union province of BC, they actually support the union.... [/b][/quote]
BC is the most communist province in Canada! How anyone ever voted an NDP government into power i still can't figure out. BC will never ever come close to Alberta prosperity. The only that saved them for a while was the influx of immigrant money from Hong Kong!

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally posted by Bertuzzied@Jul 26 2005, 10:39 AM
BC is the most communist province in Canada! How anyone ever voted an NDP government into power i still can't figure out. BC will never ever come close to Alberta prosperity. The only that saved them for a while was the influx of immigrant money from Hong Kong!

Good time for an off topic rant?

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by Bertuzzied+Jul 26 2005, 05:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Bertuzzied @ Jul 26 2005, 05:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Yeah, the union I'm supposed to support keeps cutting lines on people. Actually, if Campbell were to force them back to work, it would probably only get worse. Not to mention that in the pro-union province of BC, they actually support the union....

BC is the most communist province in Canada! How anyone ever voted an NDP government into power i still can't figure out. BC will never ever come close to Alberta prosperity. The only that saved them for a while was the influx of immigrant money from Hong Kong![/b][/quote]
Quebec?

I'm sure your opposites are equally mystified about conservative-provincial governments.

[MarchHare]

BC is the most communist province in Canada! How anyone ever voted an NDP government into power i still can't figure out. BC will never ever come close to Alberta prosperity. The only that saved them for a while was the influx of immigrant money from Hong Kong!

Saskatchewan has had an NDP government for seemingly forever and they're now a "have" province.

That's not to suggest NDP governments are good, mind you (I'd never vote for them). They were absolute disasters in Ontario and BC, but SK is an example that a province can prosper under the NDP.

[FireFly]

Workers rally back.

The rally turned confrontational when management and non-striking employees wearing company t-shirts set up a table opposite the pickets, and then played loud music and chanted.

GO SCABS GO!

[FireFly]

Oh, and as per an interoffice email...

The TWU was outnumbered by about three to one and it was amazing to see the level of enthusiasm and passion by the friendly union members and managers in attendance.

[Resolute 14]

Originally posted by dustygoon@Jul 26 2005, 09:19 AM
I hear that some people in BC are losing phone service intermittently/temporarily. Safety becomes an issue. I hope Gordon Campbell legislates these muppets back to work.

A major trunk line around Edson was cut on Saturday causing Edson, Jasper, and I presume all parts between - including Hinton - to lose all phone service for several hours. This is an area of about what? 50,000 people?

Some of the Bell techs thought that it might have been sabotage, but that is completely unproven so far as I know.

Regardless, if anyone is unable to call 911 for an emergency because of sabotage by a union member, I would love to see the TWU sued into oblivion. Especially when the voices-for-change site was telling people how to disrupt the system.

[Resolute 14]

Also, it seems like many of the workers who have crossed, and the non-union workers will make out like bandits because of the lengths that Telus-Alberta's management is going to to keep people working. A buddy of mine (non-union) is working 12-15 hours a day, and will make up to three weeks worth of wages in one week. He's a bit worried about burnout, but he will have enough in the bank to take a very nice vacation once this is over.

[photon]

Michael Geist had an interesting blog post about the legality of what Telus is doing (he contends that it's probably illegal).

http://www.michaelgeist.ca/index.php?optio...Itemid=85&nsub=

[Resolute 14]

I like how Geist couldnt be bothered to post why Telus blocked the site. I guess that little tidbit just wasnt very important.

I mean really, it isnt like intimidation, releasing of confidential information or encouraging people to disrupt/sabotage Telus' network is wrong or illegal or anything.

[photon]

This doesn't speak to that?

If there is unlawful content on the site and a court orders it taken down, the host ISP must take it down. But that is not what has happened here. No court has ordered the site taken down. Rather, a single ISP, which happens to be the second largest telecommunications company in Canada, has seen fit to play judge and jury by blocking the site.

It's not Telus' place to block access to that site; if the content is illegal it is the site's host that should take the offending information down.

The "why" of the blocking doesn't matter, the blocking itself is wrong.

[FireFly]

Here. View it for yourselves... It's not bad, and they've taken down the pictures of the scabs as far as I can tell... they were in a thread only members can read anyways.


Voices For Change

[Resolute 14]

Originally posted by photon@Jul 27 2005, 03:51 PM
This doesn't speak to that?

It's not Telus' place to block access to that site; if the content is illegal it is the site's host that should take the offending information down.

The "why" of the blocking doesn't matter, the blocking itself is wrong.

That does not speak to it at all. Geist deliberately refused to present Telus' point of view because he knew their argument for blocking the site pointed to the illegal and reprehensible actions of the union and/or some of it's members. Since Geist very, very clearly has a pro-union agenda, such a mention would run counter to his intentions.

As far as the whys go, I suppose you feel it is wrong that Telus blocks spam and suspected virusses from reaching your email inbox?

[photon]

If you don't like Geist's take or think he has a slant take it up with him. I don't care if he does or not.

I posted the link because it was about the legality of Telus's actions, not the motivation.

And comparing Telus's blocking of a single site because of its supposed content to blocking spam and viruses is laughable.

First, spam and viruses coming into my mailbox is targeted towards me directly without my permission. Requesting to view a website in my browser happens WITH my permission.

Second, I should have the option to turn spam and virus filtering on and off at my whim. Maybe I'm training up my own spam filter? Or doing a research project on spam? Or maybe I don't trust their filters to know which emails are and are not spam?

Third, if Telus is blocking this site why aren't they blocking all the other sites which have content that cause harm? I guarentee you their own news servers have all sorts of illegal and harmful material on them (hate literature, child porn, etc etc).

I generally don't support unions.. I drove by some of them walking around with the "Locked Out" signs wondering if I walked around with a "Actually, On Strike" sign how long it would take them to beat me up.

But I think unilaterally blocking access to the VoC site was out and out wrong, and the pro or anti union agenda of anyone doesn't have anything to do with it.

[FireFly]

This just in:

July 27, 2005

Alberta court issues interim injunction preventing the posting of pictures on websites and pickets from unduly blocking access to property in Alberta

The court of Queen’s Bench of Alberta today issued an interim order prohibiting the Telecommunications Workers Union (TWU) and picketers from:
-Posting for public viewing on any website any photographs or identifying features with the intent of intimidating or threatening TELUS employees, contractors, customers, suppliers and others
-Aiding, abetting, counselling, procuring, inducing, supporting, encouraging or conspiring with others to bring about any of the above.


There's a couple more things in that ruling, but I have a feeling that Telus will start allowing people to view said websites again once the pictures are down. The Union is to give notice to those who've put them up in the first place, that they are to take them down again.

[Resolute 14]

Photon - I believe you when you say this isnt about pro/anti union stances. I do not believe Geist is as objective.

However, Telus has claimed that the site was posting proprietary information, which Telus has the right to protect. In their case, they had the ability to block the stie from it's networks, and given how many other ISP's use the telus backbone, they effectively blocked the site from Western Canada. If such information was actually posted, it has since been removed, so in this respect, the actions Telus took proved successful.

Geist was arguing that Telus was unfairly discriminating against this site. Given Telus' reasons, I would suggest that there was nothing at all unfair about their actions. As Firefly has mentioned, the union has now been barred from posting the images of people who cross, and that website does have a few posts asking for people to send in photos of such people to be posted on the web.

As I stated in my response to their whining on that site: the union members who run that site need to clean up their own mess before they start attacking others. People that break the law and then whine about others abusing their supposed rights will get no respect from me.

[FireFly]

As a side note, and one I find particularly amusing, the union thinks it will be able to fine me $1000 for every time I cross the picket line. It's part of my contract with the union. (They'll apparently be trying to fine a heck of a lot of people in the coming days....) However, as I've just discovered, I am actually no longer apart of the union. As per my union agreement, I am part of the union so long as I work for Telus under their contract. I am not doing so if I cross the picket line, I am working under a contract that Telus proposed to the union, and I individually accepted. Because the union did not accept it, I am not working under them. Much like the management who is also working for Telus, but not under the union, I now have my own contract with Telus... HAHAHAHAHAHA... when the union tries to collect it's fines from us, they are going to be in for a rude surprise when they find out they have no legal jurisdiction to do so!