Burke Not Thrilled with Baertschi

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

There are multiple reasons I feel he's pouting:

1. The way management is handling this indicates to me that they are dealing with a player that is not putting effort in and is not buying into having to put the effort in.

2. When Sven himself speaks, you can hear the frustration in his voice, the defensiveness about his play and how he's handling himself.

3. And this is the most important for me, and I've been trying to avoid posting it again because I know how it will be met by some, but I actually know he's pouting. I mentioned this in a thread a few weeks back discussing Sven, so I'll say it again: if the mods want me to say my source I will let them know via PM, and if they don't feel it's sufficient I will gladly remove this post (but I will not say who my source is publicly to protect their relationship). But I know someone who has a direct relationship with Sven. It's a professional relationship, not hockey or media related.

Sven is absolutely on full pout mode, and is furious with the Flames and has been since at least when they informed him he was going to need to attend rookie camp in Penticton. And not a "good" I'm pissed off I'll show them furious, a bad I'm upset and am now engaging in a battle of wills about where and when I'll put my effort in upset. He's made numerous comments to my friend about how he feels about it that as a Flames fan and someone who wants Sven to be good on this team I find very concerning.

Then as camp rolls along and you hear the comments from management it just adds further validation to the fears I had earlier in the year as I was starting to hear the things he was saying to my contact.

So why didn't you mention it the last 5 times I've brought it up? You sure know a lot now, for a guy who admitted he hasn't even seen him play since last season.

Yeah, I would like mods to check your source.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

So why didn't you mention it the last 5 times I've brought it up? You sure know a lot now, for a guy who admitted he hasn't even seen him play since last season.

Yeah, I would like mods to check your source.

Trying my best to keep the conversation to what is completely verifyable and in the media, figured it would get into a I don't believe type convo, so why bother.

I'm cool that you won't believe it without a check, and as I mentioned I'll let the mods know more details over PM, although I doubt they can verify it completely.

My posting history will validate that I did mention this about 3 weeks ago in an unrelated thread, so if I'm making it up, I had the foresight to do so 3 weeks ago, not just when this blew up in the last few days

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Already been discussed more in depth here

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=130769

[Stay Golden]

I thought Burke's words were scathing of young Sven but necessary. He has not looked good in presesaon and that is what Burke is basing his assessment of Baertschi on what he has actually seen.
Maybe the Flames have coddled him too much as there is no arguing Sven plays in spurts and does not take care of duties when the puck is in the Flames end.
I see a lot of similarities to Juice.
Honestly i think Sven has taken a step backwards i think Burke is kicking him in the ass to let Sven know you have to be a much better NHL'r.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I can't believe people are shocked about this. Its been very evident by Baertschi's effort and play that he's in pout mode. The team has obviously had talks with him and he's not responded. This is the team's way of letting the player and the fans know that he is on a short leash and the minors is only a flight away. Unless Baertschi plays his ass off I say he's in Abbottsford for the season by Halloween. You don't get the General Manager making comments three or four weeks ago, and then the President of the team making similar comments, and come away unscathed. Baerstchi has got two very important men with this hockey team, and one very well connected throughout the league, pissed off at him. This is the type of thing that can cut careers very short. Baertschi better smarten up and fast.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by New Era

I can't believe people are shocked about this. Its been very evident by Baertschi's effort and play that he's in pout mode. The team has obviously had talks with him and he's not responded. This is the team's way of letting the player and the fans know that he is on a short leash and the minors is only a flight away. Unless Baertschi plays his ass off I say he's in Abbottsford for the season by Halloween. You don't get the General Manager making comments three or four weeks ago, and then the President of the team making similar comments, and come away unscathed. Baerstchi has got two very important men with this hockey team, and one very well connected throughout the league, pissed off at him. This is the type of thing that can cut careers very short. Baertschi better smarten up and fast.

My hope is that Sven got himself in a bit of a bad spot, believing in his own hype and when Feaster and others Flames brass tried to bring him back, he didn't take it seriously or thought they didn't know what they were talking about. Now that Burke's come in, I could see a young man going, ok good, Burke is reputable, know's his stuff and will set Feaster and company straight. Now that Burke has let him know he agrees with Feaster and company, I'm hoping Sven see's the light and realizes it wasn't just the "dummies" running the ship here who thought it.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

You don't go to Abbotsford and Troy Ward to get your confidence back...

Uhh.. yes you do!

YOU don't like Ward, and you don't make it a secret, but the players do. The guy wakes up so damn early every morning just to work on the video side of things. Is he the BEST coach in the AHL? Maybe not.. but he is definitely one of the most hard-working and respected by his players.

If the players down there love him, then I will trust their opinion over yours who seems to have a personal grudge over him.

[Azhouse]

If Sven caves under this pressure it might be a short career. I think he will use it as motivation.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by azhouse

if sven caves under this pressure it will be a short career. I think he will use it as motivation.

fyp

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Azhouse

If Sven caves under this pressure it might be a short career. I think he will use it as motivation.

If Sven caves under the pressure he is not an NHL caliber player. If Sven does not embrace the challenge he is not one of the key players we need to build around. Step up or step off.

[Dion]

[Dienasty]

I like how about 5 people on this forum are now psychology professors with a masters in body language.

I think people are reading way to much into this, and Baertschi will shut just about everyone up by the end of October. I think his talent will prevail, and will be noticably one of the top 5 forwards if not players on the Flames (with Cammy, Glencross, Backlund, Brodie)

As for these comments about "a friend of a friend of mine" knows what is going on with Baertschi... I will take that with a grain of salt. Some of it might be frustration with how he is playing, as he is used to being the star, some of it might be a cultural thing Swiss are a very hard working high achieving nation (Neiderettier experienced the same type of thing in NY), and Baertschi is not moving up as fast as he would like. Not to mention that he seemed like a quiet guy from the start. He may still just be quiet and not pouting. There are many different variables that I do not know so I am not going to speculate any further.

Let's just let the first month of the season speak for itself, rather then this pointless speculation as to what Baertschi is thinking and what the reasoning was for Burkes comments (kick in the ass/tough love, or this guy is going to be traded).

There is a reason I watch hockey and not the Bachelor, I like watching competition, not gossiping about drama.

[foshizzle11]

He seems like such a standup guy and wants to be apart of the rebuild, I can't imagine he will just shutdown and not respond to this.

I think he will have a good season and I don't mind that everyone has to be more accountable in all 3 zones. I don't expect him to be blocking 5 shots a game but showing effort and taking pucks away in our zone is what everyone should be doing.

I like Burke, Feaster and Sven and they will all see eye to eye with Burke or be gone. It seems tat simple.

[Parallex]

Burke should STFU stay in the background and leave the player evals to the Coach and GM as far as I'm concerned. Gawd that guy just loves the sound of his own voice doesn't he.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by EYE_Overstand

i guess some people are more sensitive then others...

Well, to be fair, we don't know how Sven really felt about Burke's words. But my guess, he didn't feel overly good about them. When a new president of hockey operations pretty much tells the hockey world that the club's first round pick is still showing up to play less than 30% of the ice time in his third year in NHL, that has got to hurt a lot. How much harsher can it get? Question is, how will Sven be able to address the warning.

[jeffman]

I'm not a fan of Burke calling him out in the public. Couldn't he have a trainer pull him aside in camp to correct any issues?

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by jeffman

I'm not a fan of Burke calling him out in the public. Couldn't he have a trainer pull him aside in camp to correct any issues?

Why do you assume he didn't?

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by jeffman

I'm not a fan of Burke calling him out in the public. Couldn't he have a trainer pull him aside in camp to correct any issues?

As many have said already, Burke calling him out in public was likely not Step 1 of this process. Although I'm not sure they would have used the trainer, I'd say it will be a fairly rare occurance that anyone in management calls out a player in the media before it's been proven closed door methods aren't sinking in.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

There are multiple reasons I feel he's pouting:

1. The way management is handling this indicates to me that they are dealing with a player that is not putting effort in and is not buying into having to put the effort in.

2. When Sven himself speaks, you can hear the frustration in his voice, the defensiveness about his play and how he's handling himself.

3. And this is the most important for me, and I've been trying to avoid posting it again because I know how it will be met by some, but I actually know he's pouting. I mentioned this in a thread a few weeks back discussing Sven, so I'll say it again: if the mods want me to say my source I will let them know via PM, and if they don't feel it's sufficient I will gladly remove this post (but I will not say who my source is publicly to protect their relationship). But I know someone who has a direct relationship with Sven. It's a professional relationship, not hockey or media related.

Sven is absolutely on full pout mode, and is furious with the Flames and has been since at least when they informed him he was going to need to attend rookie camp in Penticton. And not a "good" I'm pissed off I'll show them furious, a bad I'm upset and am now engaging in a battle of wills about where and when I'll put my effort in upset. He's made numerous comments to my friend about how he feels about it that as a Flames fan and someone who wants Sven to be good on this team I find very concerning.

Then as camp rolls along and you hear the comments from management it just adds further validation to the fears I had earlier in the year as I was starting to hear the things he was saying to my contact.

God, why must everything be so dramatic with you?

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

God, why must everything be so dramatic with you?

Context? Not sure what is dramatic about what was posted, and what else is dramatic per say?