[Signing] Kessel to sign contract extension with Leafs ($8Mil AAV, 8 years) - Page 3 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Fighting Banana Slug · 10-01-2013, 08:20 AM

Kessel was that big splash Burke was looking for to put Toronto over the top. It took a few more years than originally thought, but there is no doubt that he is a top player on a pretty decent team (at least a good team with forward depth). Too many seem to judge Kessel based on the trade, which is basically irrelevant to his contract negotiations.
Tough to think of a comparable, but Kovalchuk or Perry come to mind. These guys are gonna get paid.

Coach · 10-01-2013, 08:24 AM

I don't what it is about Kessel but I just can't view him with an elite player status no matter what type of numbers he puts up. I kind put my finger on why, but that Team USA picture has a lot to do with it I think. Whether he's worth 8 now or not, in 5-8 years he will not be, and thus, this would be a stupid contract.

memphusk · 10-01-2013, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

Look at the numbers. Is it really absurd?

http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/seaso...ers-stats.html

Yes it really is. Not a point per game player, huge cold stretches, and a better lumberjack than an 8 million dollar hockey player.

strombad · 10-01-2013, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Murph

He's 8th in league scoring over the last three years, so yeah, he's an elite point producer. Kessel's ability to put up points is not in question. Intangible and attitude issues aside (not saying he has any), he is a dynamic offensive threat.

I'd hardly say that shooting from the circle on the left side repeatedly makes you "dynamic", but the guy can put up points.

Considering he doesn't have many more points than Mike Ribeiro over the last three years, I think 8 would be grossly over the top.
He'd be good at 6.5-7.

Thing is, he's very much like a Ribeiro, he simply gets overrated playing in Toronto. He's good offensively, top 20 guy in the league, but he brings very little else to his game. He doesn't play hard like a Perry or a Getzlaf, he's not a show stopper like a Malkin or a Kane, he just goes around and puts up dependable points. Not a bad guy by any means, just a little one note, and not the greatest one note at that.

Cheese · 10-01-2013, 08:51 AM

done deal..

BREAKING NEWS: Leafs ink Kessel to contract extension
The Toronto Maple Leafs and forward Phil Kessel have agreed on a long-term contract extension.

A source says the two sides have agreed to terms on an eight-year extension worth US$64 million.

BigTuna · 10-01-2013, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Ridiculous. Rate of inflation or not, there's no way in my opinion he should be paid up there with Crosby, malkin, getzlaf,perry or ovechkin. Am I missing anyone here?

4th in NHL scoring the past two years with Bozak as his centre. The numbers don't lie.

BigTuna · 10-01-2013, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by strombad

I'd hardly say that shooting from the circle on the left side repeatedly makes you "dynamic", but the guy can put up points.

Considering he doesn't have many more points than Mike Ribeiro over the last three years, I think 8 would be grossly over the top.
He'd be good at 6.5-7.

Thing is, he's very much like a Ribeiro, he simply gets overrated playing in Toronto. He's good offensively, top 20 guy in the league, but he brings very little else to his game. He doesn't play hard like a Perry or a Getzlaf, he's not a show stopper like a Malkin or a Kane, he just goes around and puts up dependable points. Not a bad guy by any means, just a little one note, and not the greatest one note at that.

Are you kidding? He's been crapped-on non-stop in Toronto. He'd get much more credit in another market.

I don't think there's been a more laughed-at crapped-on NHL player the last 4 years.

If anything, he's underrated.

BigTuna · 10-01-2013, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Is he really an elite point producer at .74 points per game over his career?

They're looking at the last couple of years. To include his stats as a teen is silly.

BigTuna · 10-01-2013, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

On one hand you can't argue that he's a consistent 30+ goal scorer on the other hand he is probably one of the most hollow top players in the league and brings nothing else to the table than goals so the investment is linked solely to his goal production and nothing else. Seems too long to me especially with the current CBA outlasting the deal which means no more compliance buyouts.

FYI, Kessel was 5th in assists in the entire league last season.

To claim all he does is score goals is silly.

bubbsy · 10-01-2013, 09:02 AM

i openly admit to underrating Kessel.

I think his point totals fully justify this price tag, and the leafs were best suited to signing up.

That being said 8 million goes to your best player and the guy you're building ur team around to be a cup contender. I still don't see Kessel to be that guy, at least not yet.

Still, all things considered, a deal that the leafs had to get done, and paid market value for.

$ven27 · 10-01-2013, 09:03 AM

This is the new norm for top players under the CBA. We won't be seeing anymore Tavares, Sedins, etc type of contracts. Good deal for both sides

strombad · 10-01-2013, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BigTuna

Are you kidding? He's been crapped-on non-stop in Toronto. He'd get much more credit in another market.

I don't think there's been a more laughed-at crapped-on NHL player the last 4 years.

If anything, he's underrated.

Coming from the guy who thinks Phaneuf is worth about a bajillion dollars, I'm not going to add much weight to your opinions on player ratings.

As I said, his closest comparable is Mike Ribeiro. If you'd pay Ribeiro 8 million, then pay Kessel 8 million, be my guest.

Poe969 · 10-01-2013, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheese

done deal..

BREAKING NEWS: Leafs ink Kessel to contract extension
The Toronto Maple Leafs and forward Phil Kessel have agreed on a long-term contract extension.

A source says the two sides have agreed to terms on an eight-year extension worth US$64 million.

Since he wasn't drafted by the leafs, I thought 7 years was the most he could get

BigTuna · 10-01-2013, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by strombad

Coming from the guy who thinks Phaneuf is worth about a bajillion dollars, I'm not going to add much weight to your opinions on player ratings.

As I said, his closest comparable is Mike Ribeiro. If you'd pay Ribeiro 8 million, then pay Kessel 8 million, be my guest.

I stated Phaneuf wouldn't take any paycut on the open market. you somehow think he'll settle for much less as a UFA.

And you keep bringing up Ribeiro. Giroux just got 8.4 million. Semin got 7.5 million. Nash gets over 8.

I like Ribeiro but he's a lot older and hasn't put up the same points the last couple of years as Kessel.

Oling_Roachinen · 10-01-2013, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Poe969

Since he wasn't drafted by the leafs, I thought 7 years was the most he could get

I believe it's 8 years with your current team. I think that even follows for players traded right before they reach UFA (like Bouwmeester), just as long as they don't become UFAs. Could be wrong. Just read that it's players who played the full regular season.

Coach · 10-01-2013, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Poe969

Since he wasn't drafted by the leafs, I thought 7 years was the most he could get

The 8 years is if you re-sign with your previous team, not for the team that drafted you.

BigTuna · 10-01-2013, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Poe969

Since he wasn't drafted by the leafs, I thought 7 years was the most he could get

It's not who drafts him, it's who currently has his rights.

$ven27 · 10-01-2013, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by strombad

Coming from the guy who thinks Phaneuf is worth about a bajillion dollars, I'm not going to add much weight to your opinions on player ratings.

As I said, his closest comparable is Mike Ribeiro. If you'd pay Ribeiro 8 million, then pay Kessel 8 million, be my guest.

Kessel is 100x the player Riberio is. You either haven't watched him play, trolling, or a little bit of both.

BigTuna · 10-01-2013, 09:19 AM

For all the talk of him being soft, Kessel's been a great playoff performer (Ribeiro certainly has not).

Kessel in Playoffs:

22 13 8 21 +11

Why is Rick Nash making over 8 million a year?

Voodooman · 10-01-2013, 09:21 AM

Huge money for the anti (in his prime) Iggy. Kessel starts like a house on fire, has 20 goals by November 15, and then ends up with 6 over the last 25 games of the season. If Toronto had managed to make the playoffs on a more consistent basis, he could well be challenging Joe Thornton for the title of "Biggest Disappearing Act".

It's a contract that looks good on the Leafs, but I'd be livid if my team signed him for that kind of money. He just seems to be one of those guys who can produce when things are going right and loosey goosey, but when the chips are down, and the game is on the line, I wouldn't expect him to lead the team to the promised land.