Quebec's war on Religion

[PsYcNeT]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Some muslim women feel that it shows modesty and that it is a very feminine and beautiful trait to promote. It's not all based in oppression if it is their choice.

I'm pretty sure in that instance they're talking about a hijabs or shaylas, rather than a burqa/niqab.

[MoneyGuy]

I was very nervous in 1995 when I watched the referendum results come in for fear it would split my country. Now I dislike Quebec so much that I'm almost to point of saying, "Don't let the door hit you on your way out."

If they should separate one day, take your share of the national debt with you and kiss the equalization payments goodbye. Idiots!

Boblobla, it's affect.

[TheyCallMeBruce]

I'm all for banning the e-meter cause those scientologist are going to provoke Xenu into an all out war with us one day.

[edslunch]

This is a classic wedge issue for the PQ. Bring in laws that pander to xenophobic tendencies in the base, strengthen the base. Canadian courts quash it, strengthen the base even more.

[To Be Quite Honest]

It's about time we added more control over the population.

[SebC]

Ironic that the province that demands special treatment because it perceives itself to be a minority is by far the worst when dealing with its own minorities.

[WilsonFourTwo]

I gotta say, between poutine, hot women, and an attempt to remove religion from everyday life, I'm starting to really like Quebec.

The reason for all this new effort is suspect (I agree edslunch about it being political gamesmanship) but I'm not going to argue too hard against the outcome.

[Plett25]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Some muslim women feel that it shows modesty and that it is a very feminine and beautiful trait to promote. It's not all based in oppression if it is their choice.

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

I'm pretty sure in that instance they're talking about a hijabs or shaylas, rather than a burqa/niqab.

Since I had to google those words to figure out what you're talking about... I though I should share



I'm pretty sure the law is aimed squarely at the niqab, I've seen those in Edmonton, Calgary and Halifax, but never a burka.

Yalmulkes, turbans, hijabs... religious headgear is pretty universal. The Pope even has special hats. But for me, religious facegear is a step too far. There is an "otherness" about it that is un-Canadian.

(I also think it is un-Canadian to call something un-Canadian, so I'm feeling a little conflicted right now)

[DuffMan]

Read that second line under the Burka...

"Enforced by the Taliban"

Not sure if I'd consider that as religious freedom.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Read that second line under the Burka...

"Enforced by the Taliban"

Not sure if I'd consider that as religious freedom.

You see them once in a while in Bosnian Muslim areas (rarely, but every once in a while). Considering the Taliban doesn't enforce anything there and it's a "westernized" country, I would say it is a choice for some. There are some rumours that fundamentalist groups are paying some women to wear them there, but that is still a free choice.

[Bootsy]

For the most part I could really care less what people choose to wear due to religion but every time the topic comes up it reminds me of the decision to force the legion to allow religious head ware and it just annoys me. I still find that to be disgusting.

[Nage Waza]

There were about a dozen girls in my high school (Calgary, over twenty years ago) that wore Burkas. I always wondered what their story was.

[puckluck2]

Burkas are the dumbest thing anyone can wear. Has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with their men being complete #######s.

No where in the Quaran does it require you to wear one or even a hijab. Honestly, as a Muslim I get infuriated when I see a women dressed in a ninja costume.

I really don't like the hijab either but 99% of the women I know who wear them do it by choice. My aunt has twin girls. One wears it while the other doesn't.

[FlamesAddiction]

I still don't see how anyone can ban an article of clothing though. Make it illegal to force someone to wear it, but the clothing itself isn't the issue.

But if anyone was going to ban clothing, they should ban those ugly curtains that Hutterites wear (which when you get right down to it, are also imposed by males even if the women themselves are indoctrinated to accept it).

[chemgear]

In the National Post today, picture of PQ to rational thought: "Deal with it".

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I still don't see how anyone can ban an article of clothing though. Make it illegal to force someone to wear it, but the clothing itself isn't the issue.

But if anyone was going to ban clothing, they should ban those ugly curtains that Hutterites wear (which when you get right down to it, are also imposed by males even if the women themselves are indoctrinated to accept it).

breaking Amish.

Women should be allowed to wear whatever they want or don't want, no matter which religion they belong to. especially if they are hot

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

breaking Amish.

Women should be allowed to wear whatever they want or don't want, no matter which religion they belong to. especially if they are hot

Agreed.

[Nyah]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

breaking Amish.

Women should be allowed to wear whatever they want or don't want, no matter which religion they belong to. especially if they are hot

Agreed. If a woman does not want to wear a head scarf or a burqa, she should never be forced to. On the other hand if she feels comfortable and secure in her head scarf or burqa, she should have every right to wear it.

Clothing is a tough thing though. Some people find it offensive if a woman takes off her top at a beach, and others find it oppressive that woman are forced to wear a top at the beach. But that's a whole other can o' worms.

[DuffMan]

Also, I think they should ban old European guys from wearing Speedos on beaches in Mexico and elsewhere.

[onetwo_threefour]

Originally Posted by Boblobla

Then I have to remember what a noun is...

I will just trust that the internet grammar nazis will correct me an eventually I will learn...

Even worse, both effect and affect can be either verbs or nouns.

How will the poison affect him? (Verb, most common)

The effect of the poison will be to make him sick. (Noun, most common)

An antidote will effect a cure. (Verb, uncommon)

One of the common symptoms of major depression or schizophrenia is 'flat affect', meaning minimal to no emotional response to stimulus that would normally elicit such response. (Noun, very uncommon use, really only in medicine/psychology)

[/Grammar lesson]

As for the topic at hand, secularists should be seeking the removal of unnecessary laws about religion, not creating them...