Summer Prospect Ranking Poll Round 15

[cral12]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

Kulak could be too. As far as I can tell Culkin and Kulak are one in the same, which is nice.

When Kulak had his couple of games with the Heat last season, he gave me some Brodie flashbacks.

My 2nd rnd voting for Kulak - arguments made last round.

[Knut]

Cundari. I loved the comparison to Ference gave last round.

Brossoit , Ramage, Arnold, Berra all condsidered too

[Cali Panthers Fan]

No more voting for Nemisz! He's a bust...let's move on.

[Prufrock]

I voted for Breen. PMM's sterling reviews in the past make my pants tight.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by Prufrock

I voted for Breen. PMM's sterling reviews in the past make my pants tight.

Weird, but okay.

[Vulcan]

Brossoit, Culkin, Kulak and Kanzig are fine prospects but just too far away from contributing to give them consideration at this point. Same goes to a lesser extent with Arnold. I'm not considering the other goalies on this list because of their age, so I'm left with the 2 defencemen that can contribute this season. Those are Breen and Cundari and I give the nod to Breen because of his size. Honourable mention to Ramage.

[FlamesAddiction]

I'm going to keep voting for Ramo even though I struggle with his inclusion.

Cundari would be my next choice though.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

At the risk of starting to sound annoying or like a broken record, I have to say that there is no way Breen should have fallen this far. I'll vote for him again this round haha.

Who would you have him ahead of?

6. Wotherspoon
7. Sieloff
8. Knight
9. Poirier
10.Klimchuck
11.Horak
12.Agostino
12.Granlund
14.Reinhart


Breen's an undrafted 24 year old Dman, with 0 NHL GP, and his best offensive season in the OHL/AHL was .22 ppg.

Does he really deserve to be higher than any of the listed players, or are you letting a bias show because you've interacted with the Abbotsford players (with your job I believe?)?

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

No more voting for Nemisz! He's a bust...let's move on.

I think Nemisz had two solid years followed by a season derailed by injuries. A bounce back year puts him back in the mix, especially since the Flames are so thin on the right side

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

No more voting for Nemisz! He's a bust...let's move on.

I cannot write him off just yet. Just like a few others I would like to see how he fares this coming season. My hope is he can show he belongs on the third line rw spot. Which I believe he can do. Not hyping him up but I feel he is going to be a late bloomer. He showed flashes of his potential but never gained traction. Big year for Neimz this year. Hopefully he can stay healthy.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

^ I hope you guys are right, but nothing in his development has shown me he will be anything in the NHL. Nemisz isn't even that good in the AHL. Isn't nearly physical enough for a 3rd liner. Doesn't put up points the way a top 6 player would. Doesn't bode well for his chances.

[Miniac]

Poor Nemisz only 1 vote.

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by Miniac

Poor Nemisz only 1 vote.

I'll vote for him sometime after Rafikov and before Howse.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

At the risk of starting to sound annoying or like a broken record, I have to say that there is no way Breen should have fallen this far. I'll vote for him again this round haha.

Honest question: Is Breen that much bigger, meaner and more mobile than Pelech?

I really wanted Pelech to somehow break through on the Flames and thought he might be a Ryan Wilson and break through in another Organization....

Seems like the Sharks like him ...... in Worchester. as they just signed him to a 1 year deal $105k in AHL and $550k NHL.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Honest question: Is Breen that much bigger, meaner and more mobile than Pelech?

Well he's about 3 inches bigger

But more seriously, we're not looking for biggest, meanest and fastest guy possible, we're looking for the best possible hockey player with those qualities.

Breen could easily end up being better than Pelech.

[kehatch]

Brossoit, Culkin, Cundari are my next three (in order). From the looks of it Brossoit Cundari may go in the next two rounds. But I might be stuck voting on Culkin for awhile!

[Brad Marsh]

My third consecutive round voting for Kanzig.

I agree that there are other prospects still available in the poll at this time that are probably closer to NHL ready than Kanzig is, but for me, given his size, and how he looked at the development camp, including where he matched very well agains some of our top 10 forwards, I think he has a much higher ceiling than many who are drawing bigger vote totals right now.

While it might take longer to get there, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Kanzig became a very capable top 4 guy for the Flames. I just don't see many prospects left in this stage of the polling that have that high of a ceiling (at any position), even though some of them might be further along the development pathway.

Big, strong, smart, good vision, and a much better skater than what was initially reported were my observations at development camp. And didnt see him overmatched at all by the likes of Monahan, Baertschi, or Gaudreau, although I'm not confident that he was lined against them on a consistent basis.

Out of the prospects still listed, this guy has huge sleeper potential, IMO. I just cannot overlook the potential upside, even though he's clearly a couple of years or more away.

By comparison, and I don't have anything against Cundari, in fact I liked what he brought at the end of last year, but he is leading the vote total this round, but I really wonder if he tops out as anything much higher than a 6/7 guy? Honest question.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Who would you have him ahead of?

6. Wotherspoon
7. Sieloff
8. Knight
9. Poirier
10.Klimchuck
11.Horak
12.Agostino
12.Granlund
14.Reinhart


Breen's an undrafted 24 year old Dman, with 0 NHL GP, and his best offensive season in the OHL/AHL was .22 ppg.

Does he really deserve to be higher than any of the listed players, or are you letting a bias show because you've interacted with the Abbotsford players (with your job I believe?)?

Any bias I have is because I've seen him play a ton. It doesn't have anything to do with interactions.

I just feel like he's ready for the show. As a general rule, most defensemen don't even reach their prime until about 24, so he's right on schedule. The fact that he's undrafted means nothing. The fact that he has 0 NHL GP means nothing as well since Feaster himself has said he would've played in the NHL at the end of the season if it weren't for his injury. And offense means nothing when you talk about defensive defensemen.

I'm not telling people how to vote, I'm just commenting that he should've been off the board much sooner. In terms of NHL readiness, I'd have him fifth after Baertschi, Monahan, Horak and Knight, but before Cundari and Reinhart.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Honest question: Is Breen that much bigger, meaner and more mobile than Pelech?

I really wanted Pelech to somehow break through on the Flames and thought he might be a Ryan Wilson and break through in another Organization....

Seems like the Sharks like him ...... in Worchester. as they just signed him to a 1 year deal $105k in AHL and $550k NHL.

The biggest difference between Breen and Pelech is discipline and intelligence. Pelech was a wild man. It seemed like he'd fight for any reason whatsoever - it didn't matter what situation the team would be put in. Plus, Pelech was brutal defensively. No smarts or positioning whatsoever.

Breen is as tough and much bigger than Pelech, but is capable of actually putting himself in a position to defend and won't fight unless it's necessary and won't put his team in a compromising situation.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

The biggest difference between Breen and Pelech is discipline and intelligence. Pelech was a wild man. It seemed like he'd fight for any reason whatsoever - it didn't matter what situation the team would be put in. Plus, Pelech was brutal defensively. No smarts or positioning whatsoever.

Breen is as tough and much bigger than Pelech, but is capable of actually putting himself in a position to defend and won't fight unless it's necessary and won't put his team in a compromising situation.

Also, Pelech plateaued at the AHL level.

Breen is a late bloomer but is still progressing.

I haven't seen as much of Breen as PMM, but I think he is already better than Pelech and is still improving.