U20 tournament - Junior Evaluation Camp (Sieloff, Gillies, Monahan, Poirier & Janko)

[Burner]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Probably because it's irrelevant to most people who read the article. Jesus people

you are a Jesus People??

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by moon

i guess it depends on your definition of impact.

Dustin Boyd played an important role but certainly wasn't a top guy on the team.

Iginla obviously wasn't a Flame when he played so my guess would be Marty Murray in 1995.

Pretty sure Iginla was Flames property when he played in the World Juniors, that's why I watched Iginla as closely as I could.
Yeah, Murray and Boyd, I had high expectations of those two after their success in the World Juniors.

[moon]

Oops not sure how I remember that wrong. Thought it was right after the tournament but I guess that would have had Dallas possibly changing their mind on that deal.

[devo22]

USA White is up 5-0 vs Finland after 2 periods. Gillies has taken over after 30 minutes and has 4 saves so far. Sieloff is paired with Brett Pesce today, according to Pronman.

Corey Pronman ‏@coreypronman
In 2nd period liked: Teravainen (CHI), Cammarata (NYI), McCoshen (FLA), Sieloff (CGY), M Brodzinski (SJ), Q Shore (OTT), Maatta (PIT).

[Hank Hill]

Back to the present, Any thoughts from those who watched the scrimmage today?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by moon

i guess it depends on your definition of impact.

Dustin Boyd played an important role but certainly wasn't a top guy on the team.

Iginla obviously wasn't a Flame when he played so my guess would be Marty Murray in 1995.

Boyd actually played on a very important line with Downie and was very good. That was arguably the top line that year under Sutter.

Before that the last one I can remember was Tkaczuk. I think he was near the tournament lead in scoring.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by getbak

Iginla had just become a Flame. The Nieuwendyk trade happened on December 19, 1995, and the WJHC started on December 26.

Yep, I was so pissed off about the return for Nieuwendyk and then came the World Juniors and then I knew we had a star.

[MissAvery16]

A Canuck fan's perspective on how Jankowski was in the scrimmage..

He wasn`t invisible out there, nor did he dominate in any areas.

Let`s just say it will take a lot more than this prospect to save that particular franchise!

anyone else see the scrimmage?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by MissAvery16

A Canuck fan's perspective on how Jankowski was in the scrimmage..



anyone else see the scrimmage?

That's probably about right for Jankowski as an initial observation. I see him as a guy who feels things out and tries to fit in, before feeling comfortable to show his stuff. Whether he becomes a franchise player or not is still to be determined.

[Delthefunky]

Hopefully he realizes he can play with the best breaks out in the camp.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

That's probably about right for Jankowski as an initial observation. I see him as a guy who feels things out and tries to fit in, before feeling comfortable to show his stuff. Whether he becomes a franchise player or not is still to be determined.

I didn't realize this was what he was supposed to be? I don't think I've ever seen any player drafted in the 20's of round 1 and tabbed as a long term project expected to become a franchise player.

IMO, Jankowski projects to be a solid all-around playmaking skilled center man. If he reaches his potential I'm thinking career 2nd line center. Think Craig Janney or Cory Stillman? He's still got work to do though and could end up being Krys Kolanos.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

I didn't realize this was what he was supposed to be? I don't think I've ever seen any player drafted in the 20's of round 1 and tabbed as a long term project expected to become a franchise player.

IMO, Jankowski projects to be a solid all-around playmaking skilled center man. If he reaches his potential I'm thinking career 2nd line center. Think Craig Janney or Cory Stillman? He's still got work to do though and could end up being Krys Kolanos.

I think that is a fair assessment, but I think that if everything goes right he could become a #1, but like every long shot that makes it to that point it takes almost everything going right.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

I didn't realize this was what he was supposed to be? I don't think I've ever seen any player drafted in the 20's of round 1 and tabbed as a long term project expected to become a franchise player.

IMO, Jankowski projects to be a solid all-around playmaking skilled center man. If he reaches his potential I'm thinking career 2nd line center. Think Craig Janney or Cory Stillman? He's still got work to do though and could end up being Krys Kolanos.

Actually, he does indeed project to be a franchise player by this organization. Weisbrod compares him to Nieuwendyk actually.

I don't think the argument is really his ceiling - his ceiling is a #1 center. The argument is how likely he will hit that ceiling, and what is his floor. He is a project, and he will require a couple years at least in the NCAA (perhaps even an additional 3 giving him all 4 seasons) before he turns pro.

Personally I am really high on Jankowski as I see him being this team's franchise center after he develops, but I can also understand why many people feel he will be underwhelming. I guess this is the exact definition of a project - will take a few years to see where he is, whereas most people see Monahan as a 1st line center with 'great' 2nd line center downside. I think Jankowski's offensive upside is bigger than Monahan's, but it can be argued now and also can be proven completely false in time.

I think Jankowski's most glaring weaknesses as a prospect right now are his strength (though it is GREAT to see that he is putting weight on - only a matter of time before he corrects this) and his aggression (or at least his assertiveness) on the ice. He needs to get hungrier out there, and I think he is much too passive.

Edit: I don't think he makes the NHL if he doesn't learn to at least become more assertive on the ice. I can understand why he is hesitant - maybe he still not used to his frame - but he should have been one of the more aggressive prospects in the Flames camp scrimmages, but rather he seemed to be one of the most passive. I hope he picks it up a notch for this team Canada camp, and a few notches in the NCAA this upcoming season.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

I didn't realize this was what he was supposed to be? I don't think I've ever seen any player drafted in the 20's of round 1 and tabbed as a long term project expected to become a franchise player.

IMO, Jankowski projects to be a solid all-around playmaking skilled center man. If he reaches his potential I'm thinking career 2nd line center. Think Craig Janney or Cory Stillman? He's still got work to do though and could end up being Krys Kolanos.

In my defence, I was replying to this statement by the Canucks fan.

Let`s just say it will take a lot more than this prospect to save that particular franchise!

So he was comparing him to a franchise saver. Also the Flames have been playing him up as, in a few years as probably the best player coming out of the 2012 draft. From what I've heard he has the skill to be a franchise player, still a long way to be proven though.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

In my defence, I was replying to this statement by the Canucks fan.



So he was comparing him to a franchise saver. Also the Flames have been playing him up as, in a few years as probably the best player coming out of the 2012 draft. From what I've heard he has the skill to be a franchise player, still a long way to be proven though.

Though I don't disagree with this statement as per Feaster's remarks at that draft, but apparently the Flames had Galchenyuk ranked 1st in that draft as well. No idea where Jankowski was 'really' ranked in retrospect, but without a doubt the Flames were very, very high on Jankowski.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Actually, he does indeed project to be a franchise player by this organization. Weisbrod compares him to Nieuwendyk actually.

I don't think the argument is really his ceiling - his ceiling is a #1 center. The argument is how likely he will hit that ceiling, and what is his floor. He is a project, and he will require a couple years at least in the NCAA (perhaps even an additional 3 giving him all 4 seasons) before he turns pro.

Personally I am really high on Jankowski as I see him being this team's franchise center after he develops, but I can also understand why many people feel he will be underwhelming. I guess this is the exact definition of a project - will take a few years to see where he is, whereas most people see Monahan as a 1st line center with 'great' 2nd line center downside. I think Jankowski's offensive upside is bigger than Monahan's, but it can be argued now and also can be proven completely false in time.

I think Jankowski's most glaring weaknesses as a prospect right now are his strength (though it is GREAT to see that he is putting weight on - only a matter of time before he corrects this) and his aggression (or at least his assertiveness) on the ice. He needs to get hungrier out there, and I think he is much too passive.

Edit: I don't think he makes the NHL if he doesn't learn to at least become more assertive on the ice. I can understand why he is hesitant - maybe he still not used to his frame - but he should have been one of the more aggressive prospects in the Flames camp scrimmages, but rather he seemed to be one of the most passive. I hope he picks it up a notch for this team Canada camp, and a few notches in the NCAA this upcoming season.

Yeah, I think a player needs a certain amount of chutzpah to play in the NHL. Drafting all these nice guys with good character is fine and good but we need more ass holes like Tim Harrison.

[Day Tripper]

Highlights from Team Canada's scrimmage today: http://video.tsn.ca/?dl=main/latest/1/0/978655/clip/80

[Hank Hill]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I don't think he makes the NHL if he doesn't learn to at least become more assertive on the ice. - but he should have been one of the more aggressive prospects in the Flames camp scrimmages, but rather he seemed to be one of the most passive.

From what I seen at the Flames scrimmages you described Janko perfectly. I heard people call him a smart player because he finds open space but to me it looked like he was at times watching others battle instead of wanting the puck. Janko lost way too many puck battles which I hope is due to a developing frame and not lack of drive.

The drive to win and compete is what really separates players and I hope Janko finds this or he could turn into a bust.

[devo22]

Corey Pronman ‏@coreypronman
USA cuts include on D: STL's Vannelli, TB Blujus, ANA Thompson, LAK Ebert, 2014 DeAngelo. Collin Olson the cut goaltender. SJ's Gage Ausmus also cut. On forward: CHI Hayden, undrafted Lane, CHI Hinostroza, BUF Bailey, MTL Vail, NYR Nieves the cuts for USA.

So Sieloff and Gillies stay ... hardly a surprise.

EDIT: actually, Nieves stays. Final roster: http://worldjuniors.usahockey.com/ne...rrer_id=701370

[Da_Chief]

Why are they cutting players right now?