[Signing] Blues sign Bouwmeester to 5yr extension ($5.4 mil AAV)

[T@T]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

With gio playing the best hockey of his career. Mystified how it never worked

Coaching, had Darryl stayed coaching they would have been better

[Cheerio]

Hartley probably deserves half those dollars

[Blaster86]

lolololololololololololololololololol

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Fire

Meh. Both are overpaid.

I wouldn't want either if I have a contending team.

[Red Menace]

Great deal, he is an elite NHL defenceman, sadly he is much better than anyone on the current Flames roster. Never understood the glaring hate for him by fans.

[FlamesAddiction]

Bouwmeester played/produced like $4 million defenseman but had a cap hit of $6.7 million.... until last season.

I do think that he was playing as instructed under Brent Sutter though. He kept some pretty tight reins on him and took away half his game.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Hartley probably deserves half those dollars

Then he could immediately hand those over to Kipper for sabotaging his final season icing a defensive system that wouldn't cut it in junior.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I do think that he was playing as instructed under Brent Sutter though. He kept some pretty tight reins on him and took away half his game.

Again it's no coincidence that when the reigns were removed that while Bouwmeester's production increased the Flames had one of their franchise worst seasons after Brent keeping them at or above the 90 point clip.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Bouwmeester played/produced like $4 million defenseman but had a cap hit of $6.7 million.... until last season.

I do think that he was playing as instructed under Brent Sutter though. He kept some pretty tight reins on him and took away half his game.

This.

- Couldn't join the rush like his did all last season with Hartley.
- Played on his wrong side
- PLAYED WITH BUTLER!

[Kool Keef]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Still can't believe to this day how bad Phaneuf-Bouwmeester-Regehr worked together. Why didn't it work damnit!

It did work. Only five teams gave up fewer goals than the Flames did that season. You're looking at the wrong side of the blue line for reasons why they failed.

[Kool Keef]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

PLAYED WITH BUTLER!

Bouwmeester's play the previous two seasons was every bit as lackluster as the one season he was paired with Butler under Brent Sutter. Find a better excuse.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Still can't believe to this day how bad Phaneuf-Bouwmeester-Regehr worked together. Why didn't it work damnit!

You don't understand. We coulda had class. We coulda been a contender. We coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what we are, let's face it.

Bang 9 automatic!

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Again it's no coincidence that when the reigns were removed that while Bouwmeester's production increased the Flames had one of their franchise worst seasons after Brent keeping them at or above the 90 point clip.

It's also no coincidence that the team's best players were 3 more years past their prime when Hartley took over compared to when Brent Sutter took over. Everyone knew when Brent Sutter took over, it was now or never for that roster. The fact the team sucked by the time Hartley came in is a factor of age more than anything. Sutter had a much better roster and much higher expectations. 90 points with that roster is a worse result than 72 points (prorated) with the roster Hartley had. This team should have been bottom 3 last season, and when Sutter took over, they should have been going for the division.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Red Menace

Great deal, he is an elite NHL defenceman, sadly he is much better than anyone on the current Flames roster. Never understood the glaring hate for him by fans.

There have been several legitimate reasons provided.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's also no coincidence that the team's best players were 3 more years past their prime when Hartley took over compared to when Brent Sutter took over. Everyone knew when Brent Sutter took over, it was now or never for that roster. The fact the team sucked by the time Hartley came in is a factor of age more than anything. Sutter had a much better roster and much higher expectations. 90 points with that roster is a worse result than 72 points (prorated) with the roster Hartley had. This team should have been bottom 3 last season, and when Sutter took over, they should have been going for the division.

I didn't like Sutters boring style, but i understood that was the way they had to play to have a chance to make the playoffs. I don't think some posters will ever admit that the roster was crap for the last 3 years and no coach could have gotten the " country club" to the playoffs.

Hartley's style did have a great effect on some like JBO, Stempniak and Stajan. My guess is that some of the forwards that wanted Hartely's style implemented ended up eating a bunch of humble pie. Their game was not quite up to tempo as they probably thought.

Going forward i have no idea if Hartley is the right guy for the team? He was suppose to be the guy to get that last bit out of the veterans and he could not.

[Ozy_Flame]

I'd say he's earned the contract and for what he brings to the table is fair, but I'm with FlamesAddiction - I would be worried as all hell he's not going to play with a fire lit under his ass now that he's secure for another five years.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's also no coincidence that the team's best players were 3 more years past their prime when Hartley took over compared to when Brent Sutter took over. Everyone knew when Brent Sutter took over, it was now or never for that roster. The fact the team sucked by the time Hartley came in is a factor of age more than anything. Sutter had a much better roster and much higher expectations. 90 points with that roster is a worse result than 72 points (prorated) with the roster Hartley had. This team should have been bottom 3 last season, and when Sutter took over, they should have been going for the division.

What a load of crap. You realize the team actually added over $10 million talent last offseason with Hudler, Cervenka, and Wideman while the only loss from Brent's roster was Jokinen. So Hartley took a 90 point team that added two big UFA's and turned it into a 72 point team. The team's best players were past their prime three years ago as Iginla's decline started long before this season and Kipper's poor season is more a reflection of Hartleys "no defense" defensive system.

It's stunning how little credit Brent gets for keeping a bad team like the Flames in playoff contention every season. It was the fans (myself included) that were out to lunch when publications were picking the roster to miss the playoffs the past three season as we completely overvalued the talent on the team. The rest of the hockey world didn't but we did and Brent managed to at least keep them close until the end of every season which was probably to the detriment of the rebuild.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I didn't like Sutters boring style, but i understood that was the way they had to play to have a chance to make the playoffs. I don't think some posters will ever admit that the roster was crap for the last 3 years and no coach could have gotten the " country club" to the playoffs.

Hartley's style did have a great effect on some like JBO, Stempniak and Stajan. My guess is that some of the forwards that wanted Hartely's style implemented ended up eating a bunch of humble pie. Their game was not quite up to tempo as they probably thought.

Going forward i have no idea if Hartley is the right guy for the team? He was suppose to be the guy to get that last bit out of the veterans and he could not.

The roster Sutter inherited in 2009-2010 should have made the playoffs, imo. My main problem with Sutter is he was always banging the drum about merit, but never benched guys when they played poorly or didn't listen.

Sutter even admitted after his first season here the team focused too much on defending and it was mainly his fault, yet he refused to change anything. His biggest accomplishment was supposedly turning Jokinen into this beast of a shutdown center.

By the time Sutter's contract was up, the number of players with any significant trade value was extremely low.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

What a load of crap. You realize the team actually added over $10 million talent last offseason with Hudler, Cervenka, and Wideman while the only loss from Brent's roster was Jokinen. So Hartley took a 90 point team that added two big UFA's and turned it into a 72 point team. The team's best players were past their prime three years ago as Iginla's decline started long before this season and Kipper's poor season is more a reflection of Hartleys "no defense" defensive system.

I believe you've stated Keenan had a better team than Sutter.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

The roster Sutter inherited in 2009-2010 should have made the playoffs, imo. My main problem with Sutter is he was always banging the drum about merit, but never benched guys when they played poorly or didn't listen.

Sutter even admitted after his first season here the team focused too much on defending and it was mainly his fault, yet he refused to change anything. His biggest accomplishment was supposedly turning Jokinen into this beast of a shutdown center.

By the time Sutter's contract was up, the number of players with any significant trade value was extremely low.

You mean the roster that had Nigel Dawes in the top 6. Hell they had Sjostrom play some games on the first line. They had no forwards other than Iggy. Glencross had not come into his own yet and Conroy was already ready for a desk job.

The trade's that D Sutter made that year were horrible. I don't think he could have picked a better bunch of guys to come back in trade that fit the "country club" type.