California officer shoots dog

[Stay Golden]

Wow i didn't think race would play into this. Even though it hasn't been outright said the under tone of comments say different. I thought we are better than that.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Wow i didn't think race would play into this. Even though it hasn't been outright said the under tone of comments say different. I thought we are better than that.

It has nothing to do with race. The guy is a flat out moron.

http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/ci_2...g-arrest-owner

"There was no way Max should have died like that," Rosby said. "Max was only protecting his master. He was trying to stop them from beating on me."

The cops weren't beating on him, I'm not sure he has a grasp of reality.

As some, including resident Gabriel Martinez, aimed their cellphones at the scene to record it, Rosby drove up in his rented black Mazda. Swain said Rosby stopped in the intersection with music blaring from his windows. Officers told him to turn down the music because they were trying to hear what was happening down the street. Rosby pulled forward, parked and got out with his dog, but left the music still playing loudly.

Again, moron.

Rosby, who pulled out his own cellphone to record the police activity, did not lower the volume.
"I do apologize if I didn't immediately comply. The music may have been a little loud but I was complying," Rosby said. "I said, 'Sir, I want to make sure nobody's civil rights were being violated.' "

A neighbor, who asked not to be identified, said the officers asked him to turn the music down, but he refused. Rosby, she said, responded, "It's my (expletive) radio!"

So at what point was he complying with the officers? They told him to turn the music down, and from the video at no point did he go and turn it down. Moron.

He said Monday he believed police were retaliating against him because of previous run-ins and struggles with officers. Court records show he has previous convictions for resisting, battery and driving under the influence. Rosby, who is black, said he has filed six complaints against the Hawthorne Police Department, alleging mistreatment and racial profiling.

So I guess the cops just look for this guy and come up with ways to charge and convict him of stuff? Come on, playing the racial card is all well and good but sometimes people are just morons regardless of skin colour.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Wow i didn't think race would play into this. Even though it hasn't been outright said the under tone of comments say different. I thought we are better than that.

For the record, I'm black, and think this guy is an idiot. His complaints against the police department have no merit.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Acey

For the record, I'm black, and think this guy is an idiot. His complaints against the police department have no merit.

oh ok, yes and i am green, or is it blue.
The moment the guy walked back and forth and being a general nuisance this was going to end badly somehow this was going to get ugly.

Even i little Chihuahua would have tried to escape the window and protect the owner. It was a bad situation the officers were put in but they escalated it when they jerked his cuffed head back that is when the dog is saying get your damn hands off my master and really goes wild and gets out of the car window.
The dude escalated the situation when he kept taping them walking back and forth and acting dumb about it.
Police do not like it when you tape them, try it.
Even though it is within citizens rights go ahead and tape cops and see how that goes for you. See how long they will let you keep doing it.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Even though it is within citizens rights go ahead and tape cops and see how that goes for you. See how long they will let you keep doing it.

Seems to be going fine for everyone else filming, I guess the difference is that they're not interfering with an active hostage situation with their loud music. I've filmed police before, never had them say anything to me. Thanks for the advice, though; in the future I'll also be sure to roll up my windows so my dog doesn't get shot.

Crisis averted.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

The dude escalated the situation when he kept taping them walking back and forth and acting dumb about it.
Police do not like it when you tape them, try it.
Even though it is within citizens rights go ahead and tape cops and see how that goes for you. See how long they will let you keep doing it.

It is obvious from the existence of many videos from many angles that the police were not arresting or detaining people based on recordings.

This guy blasted his music to the point where nobody on the street could even hear the megaphone anymore. You could argue that he didn't know he was interfering, but he sure did when the cops told him to turn it down and he told them to F off.

That right there is enough cause for detaining him. The cops continued to act with restraint even when he got out and made a show of "taping" them which considering how animated he was (with flailing arms), and the vertical format, he was clearly not even trying to tape them, just making a show of it. They finally walk towards him, and the guy then makes a show of turning around and asking to be cuffed.

The guy's an idiot. It led to something really unfortunate, and as you said, any dog would've done the same thing. Any cop would've done the same thing too, or else you get things like this:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...zed-dog-769693

The missing piece, is that not every dog owner would've done the same "antagonize the cops during a hostage situation" routine. It is 100% the dog owner's fault.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Acey

Seems to be going fine for everyone else filming, I guess the difference is that they're not interfering with an active hostage situation with their loud music. I've filmed police before, never had them say anything to me. Thanks for the advice, though; in the future I'll also be sure to roll up my windows so my dog doesn't get shot.

Crisis averted.

ITG

[Acey]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

ITG

I invite you to read Regorium's post above, he seems to have expanded on my argument and even provided video evidence of what can go wrong when the police follow a different course than they did here.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Acey

I invite you to read Regorium's post above, he seems to have expanded on my argument and even provided video evidence of what can go wrong when the police follow a different course than they did here.

look i'm not going to disagree with you that Rotti's etc can be lethal. If the police would not have cuffed the guy and instead asked for his ID and told him you have to turn your music down etc etc. The dog is still alive. The police chose to cuff him and jerk his head back, the dog is dead.
If this idiot didn't start walking around letting the police know he was taping them and kept the music up and instead acted like the other people his dog is still alive.

When i said cooperate with the police i meant he turned around and put his hands willingly behind his back "cooperating" he did not resist. There was Zero reason for the one cop to act all a-hole and jerk his hands back. He did it intentionally and on purpose. Hence the dog is now dead.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

The police chose to cuff him and jerk his head back

Dog or not, hostage situation or not, getting cuffed and having your head jerked back tends to happen when you tell the police to F off, so there's that.

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

There was Zero reason for the one cop to act all a-hole and jerk his hands back. He did it intentionally and on purpose. Hence the dog is now dead.

Maybe, but since you acknowledge that poor decisions were made by the owner leading up that incident, I don't see how it's fair to word it in a way that implies the officer's actions were the sole reason for the dog's death?

[MelBridgeman]

Bad situation for everyone all around. But if buddy just kept driving......

I can't stand people who abuse animals, just like i can't stand the 'tards on kijji and craiglist trying to sell their pets on-line because "they just don't have the time", but the police officer doesn't really have any other choice in that situation. The owner is the one responsible for the pet, if you can't be responsible don't get one, he put himself into a situation he didn't need to be in and acted like a complete clown.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

look i'm not going to disagree with you that Rotti's etc can be lethal. If the police would not have cuffed the guy and instead asked for his ID and told him you have to turn your music down etc etc. The dog is still alive. The police chose to cuff him and jerk his head back, the dog is dead.
If this idiot didn't start walking around letting the police know he was taping them and kept the music up and instead acted like the other people his dog is still alive.

When i said cooperate with the police i meant he turned around and put his hands willingly behind his back "cooperating" he did not resist. There was Zero reason for the one cop to act all a-hole and jerk his hands back. He did it intentionally and on purpose. Hence the dog is now dead.

your choosing to ignore that the police asked him to turn his radio off and he told them to f off according to witnesses.

Its a armed robbery situation if this guy is impeding the police, there's no way in hell that they're going to treat this idiot with kid gloves. Personally they should have run his f$$king car over with the tank when he refused to shut off his music.


Like I said, I feel bad for the dog, not the owner and no amount of spin has made me sit here and think the cops were at fault.

The guy went to pick a fight with the cops in the worst possible situation and now he's upset when things went horribly wrong.

Tough titties said the kitty. The guy did a terrible thing to his dog.

[killer_carlson]

I watched it. My only comment on this is that the situation was totally avoidable by both sides.

That and the gun came out pretty quick for a dog that was still tied to a leash.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I watched it. My only comment on this is that the situation was totally avoidable by both sides.

That and the gun came out pretty quick for a dog that was still tied to a leash.

lol what relevance does the leash have? It was tied to the dog on one end and floating in the breeze on the other end.

The cops did the right thing - it's not even debatable. A vicious, aggressive dog was lunging at them so they shot it.

[Free Ben Hur!]

Images I could have done without. Most disturbing thing Ive seen since that you tube of a marine getting his head hacked off by the Taliban. Terrible for that Rotty.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Wow i didn't think race would play into this. Even though it hasn't been outright said the under tone of comments say different. I thought we are better than that.

Directed at me? I've been the closest to bringing up race in this thread but it was directed at the man for what he was saying in the video. You can hear him yelling about race, particularly there being no black cops present. It seems he was the only one who thought officers responding to an armed robbery was somehow racial motivated (even though I don't think we know the nationality of that man).

He's an older gentleman, unfortunately I'm sure he's seen his fair share of racist cops, but needing to make this situation a race issue when all the officers are trying to do is get the hostages away from a man with a gun? He needed to give it a rest and pick his battle better if he wants to paint/expose the police force as racist. In this situation, I feel like he was the only racist here.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Wow i didn't think race would play into this. Even though it hasn't been outright said the under tone of comments say different. I thought we are better than that.

Given you are the only person in this entire thread making this about race, I assume you were looking in a mirror as you typed that?


And I'm with others. This looks like a guy who was looking to cause an incident, and his dog died because of it.

[REDVAN]

A lot of dogs are all growl and no bite.

SHould have at least waited to get bit before shooting MULTIPLE shots at the dog.

Either way, it's the dog owner's fault. Such a shame when people are bad dog owners.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by REDVAN

SHould have at least waited to get bit before shooting MULTIPLE shots at the dog.

Yeah, I'm thinking no...

[Robo]

Originally Posted by REDVAN

A lot of dogs are all growl and no bite.

SHould have at least waited to get bit before shooting MULTIPLE shots at the dog.

Either way, it's the dog owner's fault. Such a shame when people are bad dog owners.

Sarcasm?