D.O.M.A. dead, Gay Marriage legal in the USA

[Mike F]

FWIW, the decisions today did not make gay marriage legal throughout the US, it just removed the discriminations under the DOMA.

From the NY Times:

The rulings leave in place laws banning same-sex marriage around the nation, and the court declined to say whether there was a constitutional right to such unions. But in clearing the way for same-sex marriage in California, the nation’s most populous state, the court effectively increased to 13 the number of states that allow it.

Someone from a state refusing to marry same sex couples will have to bring an action to the Supreme Court, and win it, for same sex marriage to gain the status of a national law.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Because these #######s exist:

http://www.godhatesfags.com/


When it comes to this topic, there is no lack to stupidity....

That's not fair to Rouge, don't lump him in with those guys. He's just a little frustrated with all the Horse-Man/Mother-Son marriages happening since Gay marriage was legalized in Canada.

And to be totally honest... he isn't the only one.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

He's just a little frustrated with all the Horse-Man/Mother-Son marriages happening since Gay marriage was legalized in Canada.

Wait, what? My one gay kid being able to marry meant I was supposed to marry my son? Well good god damn, I am falling terribly short. We're not even engaged yet. Question though - if I marry my son, do we get to register at The Bay, for awesome gifts?

[jayswin]

Thread title: Gay marriage legal throughout the US

Originally Posted by Mike F

FWIW, the decisions today did not make gay marriage legal throughout the US, it just removed the discriminations under the DOMA.

[Mr.Coffee]

It's brutal this is even a discussion. This really should have happened many years ago.

[Caged Great]

In my defense, that was what they made it out to be on the news when the thread was made

[Bunk]

A good step forward for the US. Get on with it.

[nik-]

I married a ham sandwich this afternoon ... but it didn't last. I expect the separation to be complete sometime tomorrow morning.

[Temporary_User]

Originally Posted by Mike F

FWIW, the decisions today did not make gay marriage legal throughout the US, it just removed the discriminations under the DOMA.

From the NY Times:


Someone from a state refusing to marry same sex couples will have to bring an action to the Supreme Court, and win it, for same sex marriage to gain the status of a national law.

This is the way it should be. Each of the 50 states should be a utopian society with laws that cater to how you want to live your life. Move and live in the state that best suits your needs. There should be very little national intervention except for national security and other needs that cannot be handled individually by the state itself.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

This is the way it should be. Each of the 50 states should be a utopian society with laws that cater to how you want to live your life. Move and live in the state that best suits your needs. There should be very little national intervention except for national security and other needs that cannot be handled individually by the state itself.

Human rights issues should be dealt with federally. Letting individual states decide on slavery didn't end well.

The Supreme court made a federal law allowing interracial marriage across the U.S.. It will take the same here as well.

I just shake my head that the interracial marriage decision was made only in 1967.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Like I said, it's a matter of time. Here's a link to a recent poll:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-...-sex-marriage/

Of particular interest:




The majority of the population is already in favour of it, and as people see this doesn't damage society the way they are being told by religious and political leaders, they will lose their vocal opposition to the idea of same-sex marriage.

It's a matter of time...

I didn't disagree that it was a matter of time, I just don't believe that time period is a short as a lot of people think it is. As I pointed out, there are many areas in the US where virtually State sanctioned race based discrimination was common place until recently, and poll numbers on that would have been much stronger than those you cited. This is a significant step, but it shouldn't be viewed as victory, there's a long way left to go before true equality exists.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Mike F

FWIW, the decisions today did not make gay marriage legal throughout the US, it just removed the discriminations under the DOMA.

From the NY Times:


Someone from a state refusing to marry same sex couples will have to bring an action to the Supreme Court, and win it, for same sex marriage to gain the status of a national law.

Yep, and the Supreme Court simply isn't going to touch that.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by valo403

I didn't disagree that it was a matter of time, I just don't believe that time period is a short as a lot of people think it is. As I pointed out, there are many areas in the US where virtually State sanctioned race based discrimination was common place until recently, and poll numbers on that would have been much stronger than those you cited. This is a significant step, but it shouldn't be viewed as victory, there's a long way left to go before true equality exists.

Ok, I see what you're saying. While there may be a state here or there that is adamantlly opposed to this idea (I'm looking at you Mississippi) very traditionally conservative states have already passed same sex marriage laws and the attitude is swiftly changing across the country, hence the poll that I quoted. I know there is still plenty of work to do, but the country is changing rapidly.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Ok, I see what you're saying. While there may be a state here or there that is adamantlly opposed to this idea (I'm looking at you Mississippi) very traditionally conservative states have already passed same sex marriage laws and the attitude is swiftly changing across the country, hence the poll that I quoted. I know there is still plenty of work to do, but the country is changing rapidly.

I'd say Iowa (maybe Minnesota) is the only conservative state that has passed same sex marriage legislation, otherwise you're looking at areas of the country that are typically more liberal on most issues. The Atlantic broke down recent polling data on a state by state basis and there are still 8 states with below 30% support, and a further 8 with support at 40% or lower. Of those 16 each of the states that has opposition data shows greater than 50% of people opposed, with opposition as high as 78% in Mississippi. Your poll data doesn't really tell the story, because the national view isn't in play here. Populous states like New York and California can sway the national numbers, but because these laws are a state matter the real issue is support in each individual state, and that is quite a ways away in a significant number of places.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/natio...-ranked/66626/

[Temporary_User]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

Human rights issues should be dealt with federally. Letting individual states decide on slavery didn't end well.

The Supreme court made a federal law allowing interracial marriage across the U.S.. It will take the same here as well.

I just shake my head that the interracial marriage decision was made only in 1967.

Not letting people get married is akin to slavery.
/looks at username.... Oh I see what you did there.

[troutman]

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

Not letting people get married is akin to slavery.
/looks at username.... Oh I see what you did there.

It may not be akin to slavery but is certainly a human rights issue, as was slavery.

And honestly, you are extremely oversimplifying the role that a central government plays in a system like that of the US.

[Devils'Advocate]

Originally Posted by Temporary_User

Not letting people get married is akin to slavery.
/looks at username.... Oh I see what you did there.

I was listening to Bill Maher podcasts on the way to work this morning and there was a discussion about what should be federal jurisdiction vs state jurisdiction. His guest said that virtually EVERYTHING should be decided at the state level. Bill countered that gun laws should be federal... health care coverage should be federal..... I don't think I'm out of line saying that anything to do with human rights should be federal. From slavery to anti-discrimination law to same sex marriage. I really don't get why Sally and Sue can get married in one part of the country but not in another. Then again, I really don't get why Sally and Sue can't get married at certain places on the PLANET.

[Temporary_User]

I don't believe the government should have their hands in the business of marriage anyway.

[FlamesAddiction]

Part of me thinks society should go the other way. Get rid of civil unions completely. If people want to be in union with each other, straight or gay, they can do it without the bother of legalities.

I am totally ripping this off from a comedian I heard before and can't remember who it was, but if marriage didn't exist today, would you invent it?

I know people say it is needed in order to keep families together for the sake of children, but I am not totally convinced. It seems like at least half the people I know come from broken homes anyway (and a lot had to go through parents getting nasty divorces).