America's Worst Charities

[jayswin]

I'm confused, are you saying those are the three worst?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by flameswin

I'm confused, are you saying those are the three worst?

The only 2 charities I will ever donate money to. With local disaster relief being an exception.

I don't trust the rest.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

I know it is OT and I do agree with your statement. I just think that cancer fundraising has become a career for a lot of people and that shouldn't be, nor was ever intended to be the case.

I agree with this. I think there is a lot of needless duplicity associated with a good deal of the charities. It might be better off if there was a single body responsible for administration.

It also may help to legislate the marketing / soliciting budgets of these charities, especially when such a small percentage of a donation actually goes somewhere meaningful.

[flylock shox]

Another helpful link: http://www.givewell.org/charities/top-charities

[para transit fellow]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

I agree with this. I think there is a lot of needless duplicity associated with a good deal of the charities. It might be better off if there was a single body responsible for administration.

It also may help to legislate the marketing / soliciting budgets of these charities, especially when such a small percentage of a donation actually goes somewhere meaningful.

Canadian revenue agency already examines the fund raising percentages.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Gu...l-do-they-rate

Another site that takes into account the Charity Navigator's ratings as well as give you a quick look at the stats. I found this incredibly helpful.

*note, run by Christian Science Monitor, so it seems favourable towards religious groups, but the numbers don't lie.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by GGG

How much are the stock options of those oil executives worth. You need to look at total cash-equivalent compensation. Even an entry level employee for a producer recieves 30% of their compensation in options and bonuses.

350k seams reasonable as a max salary.

Only if you're capping everyone else at an even lower number. If CEO compensation is capped the most desirable candidates for the position simply won't bother, they'll take on a consultant position that pays more instead.

[GreenLantern]

So would this include advtertising costs as well?

Because part of fighting cancer is just spreading awareness.. usuallly these adds start out with a stat such as "1 in 5 men will get xxxx in their life time"..

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

So would this include advtertising costs as well?

Because part of fighting cancer is just spreading awareness.. usuallly these adds start out with a stat such as "1 in 5 men will get xxxx in their life time"..

Is there really somebody that is not aware of cancer, or has not been impacted by cancer?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by valo403

Only if you're capping everyone else at an even lower number. If CEO compensation is capped the most desirable candidates for the position simply won't bother, they'll take on a consultant position that pays more instead.

I didnt mean an absolute max. I meant it was reasonable for the head of the united way to get paid a salary of 350k.

[drPepper1]

Anyone here want to invest in a Church? doesn't matter what religion, we just need to hire some posers and rake in that tax free cash!

Maybe can make CP a religion?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by drPepper1

Anyone here want to invest in a Church? doesn't matter what religion, we just need to hire some posers and rake in that tax free cash!

Maybe can make CP a religion?

There's certainly more than enough lunacy here to start a religion.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Drury18

United Way of Calgary and Area – 2011 Fundraising Total/Revenue - $58,526, 288
Salary of Dr. Lucy Miller - $300,000 - $350,000

Terra Energy – 2011 Revenue - $63,005,000
Salary of Cas Morel - $258,550

Carfinco Financial – 2011 Revenue - $59,583,000
Salary of Tracy Graf - $175,000

Rock Energy – 2011 Revenue - $54,832,000
Salary of Allen Bey - $240,000

Source: Companies from Alberta Venture 250 Highest Grossing Companies List. Salary Data from Bloomberg.

Are you suggesting that the best way to compare companies, and the work done by a CEO is by how much money they make/spend?

Seems odd to me, but maybe that's the norm.

Personally, I would think that the number of employees would have a larger part to do with it.

Originally Posted by GGG

How much are the stock options of those oil executives worth. You need to look at total cash-equivalent compensation. Even an entry level employee for a producer recieves 30% of their compensation in options and bonuses.

350k seams reasonable as a max salary.

Thats a very good point, as well as considering bonuses. I have been in the non-profit world for 3 years now and one year we got a bonus, and it was about half a weeks pay. The other years we got a $25 Safeway giftcard at Christmas.

I have a feeling the oil industry, even in the hard times , never was that bad.

[Derek Sutton]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Are you suggesting that the best way to compare companies, and the work done by a CEO is by how much money they make/spend?

Seems odd to me, but maybe that's the norm.

Personally, I would think that the number of employees would have a larger part to do with it.



Thats a very good point, as well as considering bonuses. I have been in the non-profit world for 3 years now and one year we got a bonus, and it was about half a weeks pay. The other years we got a $25 Safeway giftcard at Christmas.

I have a feeling the oil industry, even in the hard times , never was that bad.

Not for profit charity salaries cannot be compared to salaries in the oil industry, CEO or otherwise; talk about opposite ends of the spectrum. I really hope this doesn't need an explanation, and it may not be fair but that's life.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by para transit fellow

Canadian revenue agency already examines the fund raising percentages.

I'm actually talking about going one step further.

Revoke tax exempt status of every single charity in Canada and have one body administering a specific cause. I.E. Canadian Cancer foundation is the only charitable organization in the country for Cancer.

[para transit fellow]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Not for profit charity salaries cannot be compared to salaries in the oil industry, CEO or otherwise; talk about opposite ends of the spectrum. I really hope this doesn't need an explanation, and it may not be fair but that's life.

I would say that this does need an explanation.

[para transit fellow]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

I'm actually talking about going one step further.

Revoke tax exempt status of every single charity in Canada and have one body administering a specific cause. I.E. Canadian Cancer foundation is the only charitable organization in the country for Cancer.

And this will how such consolidation improve things better than Alberta's adoption of the Alberta Health services super board?


separate question for folks to ponder

Q: Which charity would you give money to?
A)the grass roots charity with 5 % overhead
b) the larger charity with 23% program overhead

The grassroots charity gives funds to any idea but has no documentation of their impact in the community

the larger charity gives funds but has a staff person checking out the idea and the background of the requesters- They also have some reports of their impact in the community.

my point: going by straight overhead percentage may not be the only consideration when deciding where you donate. Everyone should do a bit of digging/ research when they donate to an organization.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by para transit fellow

And this will how such consolidation improve things better than Alberta's adoption of the Alberta Health services super board?

Pointing out an incidence of waste really doesn't show anything. I could point out any number of large multinational companies as a pinnacle of efficiency. If it is done right, it can work. Instead of 30 websites costing x number of dollars, there is one. Instead of 100 marketing reps, there is 1/10th that, etc.

[SeeBass]

I have always heard that Unicief is pretty bad for this too.

Massive overhead with property in Manhatten

[para transit fellow]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

I have always heard that Unicief is pretty bad for this too.

Massive overhead with property in Manhatten

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/charities.asp