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moon · 06-12-2013, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by neo45

Why would they need to buy out Briere? A team like the Islanders or Coyotes would love to have a 6 mil cap hit with only 3 mil in salary to reach the floor. Saves them 3 million dollars that they desperately need

Unless Briere has deteriorated to the point where he isn't worth 2.5 million to a team then I don't see why this isn't an easy fix for the Flyers

Edit: Briere has a cap hit of 6.5 with 3 mil salary this year and 2 next year. So a total of 8 million in savings for a cap floor team. I'm sure they won't need to buy him out unless I am missing something

I think Briere has said he will not waive his NMC, so no option to deal him.

dammage79 · 06-12-2013, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by neo45

Why would they need to buy out Briere? A team like the Islanders or Coyotes would love to have a 6 mil cap hit with only 3 mil in salary to reach the floor. Saves them 3 million dollars that they desperately need

Unless Briere has deteriorated to the point where he isn't worth 2.5 million to a team then I don't see why this isn't an easy fix for the Flyers

Edit: Briere has a cap hit of 6.5 with 3 mil salary this year and 2 next year. So a total of 8 million in savings for a cap floor team. I'm sure they won't need to buy him out unless I am missing something

Briere has a NTC. Safe bet says he won't waive it to go to some teams struggling to get to the cap floor.

Wolven · 06-12-2013, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Briere has a NTC. Safe bet says he won't waive it to go to some teams struggling to get to the cap floor.

Considering how the Flyers ended last season most of those cap floor teams would be an upgrade in scenery. Going to the Islanders could mean he sees the playoffs next season. Same with the Senators and the Blue Jackets. The Coyotes could be a playoff team again soon with a couple of good moves but I doubt he wants to return there.

Still, you would have to think that he would at least be ready to consider a trade depending on where he would be headed. Then again, maybe he is just a really greedy guy and he would rather get bought out so he can sign somewhere else and collect double paycheques for a few years.

moon · 06-12-2013, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolven

Considering how the Flyers ended last season most of those cap floor teams would be an upgrade in scenery. Going to the Islanders could mean he sees the playoffs next season. Same with the Senators and the Blue Jackets. The Coyotes could be a playoff team again soon with a couple of good moves but I doubt he wants to return there.

Still, you would have to think that he would at least be ready to consider a trade depending on where he would be headed. Then again, maybe he is just a really greedy guy and he would rather get bought out so he can sign somewhere else and collect double paycheques for a few years.

I think he has family reasons to stay in Philly, whether he doesn't want to move his kids, they go to a specific hospital there or he is divorced I thought the reason for not waiving was he didn't want to leave the city of Philadelphia not so much the Flyers team.

Wolven · 06-12-2013, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

I think he has family reasons to stay in Philly, whether he doesn't want to move his kids, they go to a specific hospital there or he is divorced I thought the reason for not waiving was he didn't want to leave the city of Philadelphia not so much the Flyers team.

That is understandable but even still, with Philly being a north eastern US team there are a number of options where he would not have to move that far. The Islanders would still be a valid pick (from my previous list).

The Devils are even closer than the Islanders and the Caps are about the same distance in the other direction. With any of those teams he could probably leave his family where they are.

From the sounds of it Briere is looking at either being traded or being bought out. Maybe not this year but it'll probably have to happen next summer when Giroux, Schenn, Couturier and 3 other RFAs all need to be re-signed with raises.

The Islanders in particular would really like Briere right now when his cap hit is so much higher than his actual salary.

Ped · 06-12-2013, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolven

The Islanders in particular would really like Briere right now when his cap hit is so much higher than his actual salary.

I would think the Isles want to decide where to go with their goaltending (Re-sign Nabokov? UFA? Luongo? Miller?) and how much that would cost first.

Parallex · 06-12-2013, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolven

That is understandable but even still, with Philly being a north eastern US team there are a number of options where he would not have to move that far. The Islanders would still be a valid pick (from my previous list).

No, they wouldn't. It's a two hour commute from the Barclay Center (and the Coliseum) to Haddonfield, 13 minutes from Wells Fargo Center to same.

moon · 06-12-2013, 02:23 PM

The Islanders are the worse run team in the NHL. They have the worse facilities in the NHL. And have probably the worse owner in the NHL. They had a nice little run in a shortened season to sneak into the play-offs but unless Tavares can single handily carry them into the play-offs each year they have a very questionable roster.

I can see a ton of reasons Briere doesn't want to waive to go there when he can get paid by Philly and retire or then choose to go to the market that he wants to.

dammage79 · 06-12-2013, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

The Islanders are the worse run team in the NHL. They have the worse facilities in the NHL. And have probably the worse owner in the NHL. They had a nice little run in a shortened season to sneak into the play-offs but unless Tavares can single handily carry them into the play-offs each year they have a very questionable roster.

I can see a ton of reasons Briere doesn't want to waive to go there when he can get paid by Philly and retire or then choose to go to the market that he wants to.

Not sure you know this, but the Isles will be playing in the shiny brand spanking new state of the art Barclay's center next season. That argument is a dead one now. If they were to stay in their old building then yeah, there would be a case to be made. Everything else about their management, yes you are right.

getbak · 06-12-2013, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Not sure you know this, but the Isles will be playing in the shiny brand spanking new state of the art Barclay's center next season. That argument is a dead one now. If they were to stay in their old building then yeah, there would be a case to be made. Everything else about their management, yes you are right.

They're not moving until 2015. They still have 2 more seasons at the Coliseum.

dammage79 · 06-12-2013, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by getbak

They're not moving until 2015. They still have 2 more seasons at the Coliseum.

I really thought they were moving in this upcoming season. Going to have to go and check.

EDIT: I see that you are correct. But there is a chance they break the lease agreement and move in this year. more moeny to be had in Brooklyn. even at the cost of breaking the agreement.

moon · 06-12-2013, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

Not sure you know this, but the Isles will be playing in the shiny brand spanking new state of the art Barclay's center next season. That argument is a dead one now. If they were to stay in their old building then yeah, there would be a case to be made. Everything else about their management, yes you are right.

I thought they can't move for another couple of years?

getbak · 06-12-2013, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dammage79

I really thought they were moving in this upcoming season. Going to have to go and check.

Not unless something has changed since it was first announced: http://islanders.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=644111

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New York Islanders owner Charles Wang announced Wednesday that the club has entered into a new agreement with the Barclays Center in Brooklyn, which will be the new home of the Islanders beginning in the 2015-16 season. The announcement was made during a press conference at the new state-of-the-art arena.

Wolven · 06-12-2013, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Parallex

No, they wouldn't. It's a two hour commute from the Barclay Center (and the Coliseum) to Haddonfield, 13 minutes from Wells Fargo Center to same.

I highly doubt that he would be doing a daily commute to the other city. More likely he would be renting wherever he is playing and going home whenever he has an extended break. That is assuming that the situation comes to a head where his family cannot move away from Philly and he cannot stay (as moon suggested).

Regardless, the point was that being 2 hours away by car is a lot better than if he were to end up on a west coast team with his family stuck in Philly.

Parallex · 06-12-2013, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by getbak

They're not moving until 2015. They still have 2 more seasons at the Coliseum.

Which is about the same commute as the Barclay Center anyways, Briere doesn't want to leave the community (the geographic area) and he's got a NTC meaning that if the Flyers want rid of him they will have to buy him out.

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Originally Posted by Wolven

I highly doubt that he would be doing a daily commute to the other city. More likely he would be renting wherever he is playing and going home whenever he has an extended break. That is assuming that the situation comes to a head where his family cannot move away from Philly and he cannot stay (as moon suggested).

And I would presume that he doesn't want to spend so much time away from his kids and I would gather that his ex-wife probably isn't down with uprooting their family and following her ex-husband around.

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Originally Posted by Wolven

Regardless, the point was that being 2 hours away by car is a lot better than if he were to end up on a west coast team with his family stuck in Philly.

But he's got a NTC so staying and playing where his family is beats both (as does collecting his 2/3rds remaining salary + pension and not having to do anything). The additional money he'd get by accepting a trade rather then being bought out is a tiny tiny tiny percentage of his career earnings... if I were him I'd refuse a trade too.

dammage79 · 06-12-2013, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by getbak

Not unless something has changed since it was first announced: http://islanders.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=644111

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/04/18...-than-expected

Found this in my quick Google search. Not sure how relevant it will be but wang does say there is the possibility. I could see why they would break the lease agreement with a much larger revenue stream to tap into earlier than anticipated.

Parallex · 06-12-2013, 02:49 PM

Also important to note: Briere's Contract is subject to cap recature penalties... so even if he were to accept a trade if he then later decided to retire ahead of his contracts expiring the Flyers would be on the hook for part of his cap hit. Probably not something they'd want to risk.

Sylvanfan · 06-12-2013, 05:08 PM

The amount to buy out Briere is low enough that the Flyers likely prefer to absolve themselves of risk of future penalties by exercising that option. Also Briere has a bit to gain too, as he likely can get 3.5 to 4 as a UFA. So he gets buyout money, plus a higher salary next year. I would force a buyout too if I were him.

Coach · 06-12-2013, 06:03 PM

If Briere is bought out I'd like to see the Flames take a run at him. Guy has a lot of passion and seems to do well with young players. Lots of experience and tremendous skill. Would be a good pick up at the right price IMO. Tough to say what that is tho. Maybe short term 4-5 mil?

d_phaneuf · 06-12-2013, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MattyC

If Briere is bought out I'd like to see the Flames take a run at him. Guy has a lot of passion and seems to do well with young players. Lots of experience and tremendous skill. Would be a good pick up at the right price IMO. Tough to say what that is tho. Maybe short term 4-5 mil?

most people think he will stay in the Northeast because of his kids