CBC French to drop the word Canada from their name..

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by John Doe

The benefits to taxpayers are that there is a chance to watch quality television on a Canadian station (where you would watch commercials from Canadian companies rather than US companies); the Canadian artists can develop their talents freely rather than trying to emulate the formulaic crap that is much of US TV; the Canadian viewers can watch shows that are relevant to them; the Canadian taxpayer can benefit from the shows being filmed in Canada, the actors/cameramen/writers/producers/stuntmen/etc. being employed in Canada; etc., etc., etc..

I agree that it would be preferable if people would quit watching the crap on a lot of the main US networks and watch more "quality Canadian" television, but I don't think that pulling the plug on CBC will accomplish that. I also don't think that it helps when the Government of Canada (oops, the Harper Government, I forgot that this taxpayer supported entity took "Canada" out of their name) continually insults and belittles the CBC for political purposes.

I really can't comment on this...I don't even know where to start.

My tax dollars hard at work providing me a channel to watch tv? WTF? And Harper started this battle? Is that what you think? The CBC quit being a national news station and became a Liberal propagandist many years ago.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by John Doe

So, just make it a news channel? How would it then promote Canadian artists, etc.?

The CBC is the only reason that shows like SCTV, The Kids of Degrassi Street, The Kids in the Hall, etc. ever got to be successful. If it was left to the private sector, these show would not have the resources to develop into what they became. There are a number of quality (in my opinion) shows that were broadcast on CBC (Road to Avonlea, This is Wonderland, Becoming Erica, He Shoots, He Scores, etc.) that have had varying degrees of success, as well as a number of poor quality (again in my opinion) shows (Little Mosque on the Prairie, Air Farce Live, etc.) that were surprisingly somewhat successful. Most of these shows would not have been broadcast nationally without the CBC.

"Good morning and welcome to CBC Canadian Artist Spotlight. Today we are in Nunavut with an amazing new folk artist.."

Many would not have been broadcast nationally without my taxes spent on them. Brutal. WTH should I pay for these shows?

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

"Good morning and welcome to CBC Canadian Artist Spotlight. Today we are in Nunavut with an amazing new folk artist.."

Many would not have been broadcast nationally without my taxes spent on them. Brutal. WTH should I pay for these shows?

Why should I pay for a navy? I don't live by an ocean!
Why should I pay for athletes to compete in the Olympics? I don't participate in those sports, and I don't watch them when they are on!
Why should I pay for your medial bills? How does that benefit me?
Why should I pay into Employment Insurance? I have never collected it!

Sometimes, when you live in a community with other people you help pay for things that you personally don't use. Whether you like it or not, enough people think that it is important enough that some of our taxes go to support the arts.

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

I really can't comment on this...I don't even know where to start.

My tax dollars hard at work providing me a channel to watch tv? WTF? And Harper started this battle? Is that what you think? The CBC quit being a national news station and became a Liberal propagandist many years ago.

-Yes, some of your tax dollars go to a channel that shows Canadian TV. Manycountries in the world have this arrangement. It is not that unusual.
-Where did I say that Harper started this "battle". I said that it didn't help the viewership of the CBC that his government bad-mouths the station regularly. I also tried to point out that Harper did the same thing that the CBC are being blamed for doing (i.e.-taking the word "Canada" out when trying to rebrand a Canadian institution).
-you and others can claim the CBC is a "Liberal propagandist" as much as you want, but it doesn't make it true. If you want to see what propaganda really looks like, I would suggest that you look at Fox or Sun TV.

[BlackEleven]

From the Montreal Gazette.

[thymebalm]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

"Good morning and welcome to CBC Canadian Artist Spotlight. Today we are in Nunavut with an amazing new folk artist.."

Many would not have been broadcast nationally without my taxes spent on them. Brutal. WTH should I pay for these shows?

You don't pay for these shows. Your tax contribution to the CBC is so measly that it couldn't pay for a costume for an actor to wear for a single day on set. Besides, you might not watch it, and nor does the cheese farmer from Quebec who chipped in taxes to pay for your highway upgrade, but there's a mother at home in Manitoba who watches the CBC every afternoon while she takes care of her and her sister's kids. Are you pissed at her? She's a stay at home mom for God's sake! How dare she watch the TV channel YOU paid for! She doesn't even PAY TAXES! Get a grip, dude.

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Yes, that is correct. My income goes to the government and pays for those services.

The public broadcaster would get more support from a more diverse segment of the population if they were not so politically leaning, bottom line. That is the problem for much of Canada, they are more of a publically funded Liberal tool than a public broadcaster. I don't want my money spent on them in any way shape or form.

And I don't want any money spent on the military. On fighter jets. On naval ship repairs. On oil subsidies. On tainted infrastructure projects. On the Prime Ministers security detail. But shoot, I guess I'm stuck in this great country where everyone gets a piece of the pie.

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

That is exactly the point that matters. It doesn't matter how little the amount is, we still worked for it. I think I work until mid June for free every year since all of that is taxed.

You might not care but many of us do.

Your comments are rather insulting to be honest.

How are my comments insulting? His math is insulting. It's a straw man argument. I'm just cutting up the facts my friend. If logic insults you, that's not my fault. Way more money went to many other things that likely affect you less.

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

I don't think you understand what the 'CBS-haters' want at all. The network should not produce profitable programming in any way shape or form since they are subsidized by the tax payer. They need to stay out of the way of independent broadcasters (who otherwise compete in a free natural market). For example, Hockey Night in Canada, although they do a great job, is certainly unfair for them to have.

Let the CBC stick to national news that is free of political bias or fold them, simple as that. Even that is cutting it close since there are already news networks that have to complete. If they want to promote canadian business, artists, etc, then go for it, but they should not be competing with the private sector.

I am not a supporter of the CBC and would be quite happy to see them fold.

That's not how Crown Corporations work. It's not all in or nothing. Some crown corporations are completely self-sufficient- others rely on a mixed revenue of tax dollars and earnings. A corporation is part of the market, Crown or otherwise. This idea of saying "they need to stay out of the way of the independent markets" is silly. They need the market to make money, otherwise they aren't a corporation at all, they are just a tax program.

"Let the CBC stick to national news that is free of political bias or fold them, simple as that." Why? What is your argument? You demand actions, but why? Because you don't use the service? "Shut down every road that doesn't lead to my house, WTH do I need it? Let the Market deal with roads!" <- That's what you sound like.

You don't want the CBC to compete in the marketplace but you also don't want you them to take so much of your taxes. You can't have your cake and eat it too. They'd need a lot more of your tax dollars to operate without the revenue that hockey brings in. Especially with no one watching if it's a 24/7 news station without a budget.

I get it. You want to bleed blue. You want everyone to know that you don't need any of them. The rest of the populous can go to hell for all you care. You've got yours and you don't care about anyone else.

Let's just say that I, too, wish there was some place you could go so you didn't have to put up with our commie little country.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

You don't pay for these shows. Your tax contribution to the CBC is so measly that it couldn't pay for a costume for an actor to wear for a single day on set. Besides, you might not watch it, and nor does the cheese farmer from Quebec who chipped in taxes to pay for your highway upgrade, but there's a mother at home in Manitoba who watches the CBC every afternoon while she takes care of her and her sister's kids. Are you pissed at her? She's a stay at home mom for God's sake! How dare she watch the TV channel YOU paid for! She doesn't even PAY TAXES! Get a grip, dude.

So do I or do I not pay for the shows? I pay tax of which some goes to the CBC. I don't like that, even if it is a few pennys or dollars. From what I understand, Quebec is a have not province and does not pay for our roads. I might be wrong here, but I doubt it. Why would I be mad at someone who watches that channel? Try to stick to what I post and not make stuff up.

Originally Posted by thymebalm

And I don't want any money spent on the military. On fighter jets. On naval ship repairs. On oil subsidies. On tainted infrastructure projects. On the Prime Ministers security detail. But shoot, I guess I'm stuck in this great country where everyone gets a piece of the pie.

You have a right to make those arguments, but this thread is about the CBC. Try to stick to the topic.

Originally Posted by thymebalm

How are my comments insulting? His math is insulting. It's a straw man argument. I'm just cutting up the facts my friend. If logic insults you, that's not my fault. Way more money went to many other things that likely affect you less.

Insulting in that you think that my tax dollars should somehow go to something as non essential as the CBC and due to the small amount I shouldn't care. I have a right to care, it is my money. If it is for so little, why don't the people that want it donate the money?

Originally Posted by thymebalm

That's not how Crown Corporations work. It's not all in or nothing. Some crown corporations are completely self-sufficient- others rely on a mixed revenue of tax dollars and earnings. A corporation is part of the market, Crown or otherwise. This idea of saying "they need to stay out of the way of the independent markets" is silly. They need the market to make money, otherwise they aren't a corporation at all, they are just a tax program.

Perhaps you should review the entire list of the federal Crown corporations to see just how odd the CBC fits in with the rest.

Originally Posted by thymebalm

"Let the CBC stick to national news that is free of political bias or fold them, simple as that." Why? What is your argument? You demand actions, but why? Because you don't use the service? "Shut down every road that doesn't lead to my house, WTH do I need it? Let the Market deal with roads!" <- That's what you sound like.

Not sure where you get this argument from? I do watch the CBC and I don't want my taxes paying for it. As a taxpayer and a voter and a citizen I can protest. Not sure why I pay for a tv channel...Roads on the other hand assist in our economy. And yes, there is debate on roads. For example, urban sprawl is an ongoing Calgary issue. You seem very naive.

Originally Posted by thymebalm

You don't want the CBC to compete in the marketplace but you also don't want you them to take so much of your taxes. You can't have your cake and eat it too. They'd need a lot more of your tax dollars to operate without the revenue that hockey brings in. Especially with no one watching if it's a 24/7 news station without a budget.

Not sure what you are talking about. If they take our tax dollars than they shouldn't compete with companies that do not take our tax dollars. If they require no tax dollars, than great. Your reading comprehension is rather weak.

Originally Posted by thymebalm

I get it. You want to bleed blue. You want everyone to know that you don't need any of them. The rest of the populous can go to hell for all you care. You've got yours and you don't care about anyone else.

Again, not sure what you are talking about. I bleed blue?

Originally Posted by thymebalm

Let's just say that I, too, wish there was some place you could go so you didn't have to put up with our commie little country.

Very interesting. You don't like the fact I don't like our federal 'news' agency and thus I should leave the country? WTF is wrong with you? I think your weak arguments and ludicrous claims are rather funny, so please continue posting.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by John Doe

-Yes, some of your tax dollars go to a channel that shows Canadian TV. Manycountries in the world have this arrangement. It is not that unusual.
-Where did I say that Harper started this "battle". I said that it didn't help the viewership of the CBC that his government bad-mouths the station regularly. I also tried to point out that Harper did the same thing that the CBC are being blamed for doing (i.e.-taking the word "Canada" out when trying to rebrand a Canadian institution).
-you and others can claim the CBC is a "Liberal propagandist" as much as you want, but it doesn't make it true. If you want to see what propaganda really looks like, I would suggest that you look at Fox or Sun TV.

The CBC has had numerous accusations of bias in their reporting, you can look it up anywhere.

It doesn't matter what Fox or the Sun does, they are not federally owned entities, they are catering to their customers.

[Flame Of Liberty]

See Nage, you've been served. You should just shut up, pay your taxes, fund crap without asking questions and get a grip.

Aren't our resident pinkos awesome?

[KelVarnsen]

Originally Posted by Flame Of Liberty

See Nage, you've been served. You should just shut up, pay your taxes, fund crap without asking questions and get a grip.

Aren't our resident pinkos awesome?

[Nage Waza]

LoL great photo!

[GGG]

Historicaly a well funded CBC has done a lot of good for Canada. A few highlights for

Long ago the CBC built hockey night in Canada and created a product and promoted a sport that has become part of the fabric of our society. Early on this needed goverment support

Degrassi - putting real kids in shows dealing with the issues of the day was a new concept. Handling it in a real manner really hasnt been done since.

Olympics - early on government subsidies were required to broadcast the oympics to people

Newsworld - showed 24hr news channels were viable in Canada

Curling - helped develop the sport to the point where private broadcasters could take it over.

CBC Radio everything on it is great. It provides alternative programming that promotes Canada and discussion across the country. It should be the model for tv.

So given that CBC has had a positive impact in the past how can we improve it for the future. The TV landscpe is changing for the worse. The extreme attention grabbing fear mongering biased news from the left and the right is very destructive. The CBC has an opportunity to present factual information without bias. Present well reaseached news representing a wide view and a look at the reasons behind each sides arguements. Instead the CBC likes to promote conflict.

Scientific documentary programming is going downhill. For each good BBC or Nova documentary there is countless hours of reality style junk and pseudo science. Same with history, everything is going reality style pseudo history. So the CBC could produce good quality science and history programming. Canada, a peoples history was great. Why isnt that rebroadcast more often.

Sports can be improved to. CBC has had great success with curling a HNiC so next up Lacross, womens hockey, CIS, and amateur sport. With the CBCs support you could greatly increase the CIS profile in canada.

Canadian Television prime time programming. Here is where it is tough to create a different product but I think they have had successes like news room, 22 minutes, street legal... My model for these would be create and sell.

To increase funding for the CBC I would make a deal with private broadcasters. We get rid of cancon requirements for private broadcasters in exchange for a subsidy for the cbc.

Historicaly the cbc has benifitted all canadians and can in the future but they really need to change their mandate and focus on the public good and being an alternative instead of just another network

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

The CBC has had numerous accusations of bias in their reporting, you can look it up anywhere.

It doesn't matter what Fox or the Sun does, they are not federally owned entities, they are catering to their customers.

Totally missed the boat on that one. That's the problem. News is not supposed to cater, it's supposed report and tell truths.

One can talk about a CBC bias and I'm sure there is, bias is impossible to eliminate. But it's going to be (and is) far more fair than ones 'catering' to customers. Or advertisers.

Strangely enough, what was till recently the most reputable news org in the world is also publicly funded. The BBC. And the CBC does have excellent reputation worldwide.

Fox and Sun and media outlets funded the sane way are far closer to the evils of state sponsored news than public ones.

[Devils'Advocate]

Funny thing democracy. If the majority want the government to fund something, even those who don't want to pay for it have to anyway.

So, Naga, can I offer you the same deal I have offered to FoL several times over? If you don't like paying taxes for things you don't agree with, i have the perfect place for you. I can promise you that you won't have to fund a single thing via taxes that you don't agree with: Somalia. I'll gladly pay your moving expenses there if you stay there for a year. For reasons I don't understand FoL has never taken me up on the offer despite it being his paradise, so I figured I would offer it to someone else.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Good for you...now what about the topic?

Who cares.

Isn't the first Crown Corp to not have Canada in its name, won't be the last.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

Funny thing democracy. If the majority want the government to fund something, even those who don't want to pay for it have to anyway.

So, Naga, can I offer you the same deal I have offered to FoL several times over? If you don't like paying taxes for things you don't agree with, i have the perfect place for you. I can promise you that you won't have to fund a single thing via taxes that you don't agree with: Somalia. I'll gladly pay your moving expenses there if you stay there for a year. For reasons I don't understand FoL has never taken me up on the offer despite it being his paradise, so I figured I would offer it to someone else.

You guys have really jumped the shark. I don't like the CBC so I should move to Somalia? Think about what a silly thing that is to say.

And I doubt you would pay anyone's expenses to move there, take it easy keyboard warrior.

[SebC]

They should call it "c b'Ici".

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

You guys have really jumped the shark. I don't like the CBC so I should move to Somalia? Think about what a silly thing that is to say.

And I doubt you would pay anyone's expenses to move there, take it easy keyboard warrior.

You guys? Who you callin 'you guys'?

[MelBridgeman]

Cost us 400K for ici

Winning the case would seem crucial to the rebranding, developed with $400,000 in taxpayer-funded consultants’ services. However, a Montreal lawyer who specializes in trademark law says the network faces an “uphill battle.”

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/06...-the-word-ici/

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

Funny thing democracy. If the majority want the government to fund something, even those who don't want to pay for it have to anyway.

So, Naga, can I offer you the same deal I have offered to FoL several times over? If you don't like paying taxes for things you don't agree with, i have the perfect place for you. I can promise you that you won't have to fund a single thing via taxes that you don't agree with: Somalia. I'll gladly pay your moving expenses there if you stay there for a year. For reasons I don't understand FoL has never taken me up on the offer despite it being his paradise, so I figured I would offer it to someone else.

Funny thing democracy, people can have differing views without be kicked out of the country for them.