Arm-Chair GM: Three 1st round picks for Nate McKinnon

[doctajones428]

Depending on contracts, three of Parise/Brown/Carter/Kesler/Richards/Perry/Getzlaf/Suter/Seabrook/Burns > Crosby

[Duke43]

Yeah, likely Feaster will trade our 3rd pick for draft pick in the second.

[Trailer Fire]

I want MacKinnon. I don't want to trade our 1st this year, or Baertchi, Brodie, Gillies, or Gaudreau. Everything else is on the table. Everything.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

Depending on contracts, three of Parise/Brown/Carter/Kesler/Richards/Perry/Getzlaf/Suter/Seabrook/Burns > Crosby

All else being equal, I'd take Crosby over 3 of those other guys.

[Incogneto]

Football equivelant: Redskins traded 3 1st round picks to move up 7 spots to draft RG3. No one in Washington is complaining now. Not a single fan.

[Incogneto]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

Depending on contracts, three of Parise/Brown/Carter/Kesler/Richards/Perry/Getzlaf/Suter/Seabrook/Burns > Crosby

This assumes that ALL three of our 1sts will pan out to be Best Case Scenario.

MacKinnon is as close to a can't miss since Stamkos.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Trailer Fire

I want MacKinnon. I don't want to trade our 1st this year, or Baertchi, Brodie, Gillies, or Gaudreau. Everything else is on the table. Everything.

So you think we can get the #2 overall pick for a second rounder and some roster players???

This years picks should be on the table....ALL OF THEM should be on the table for McKinnon. The kid is that good.

If there is ANY way of getting him you do it. If there is any way to include any roster players you try to do that too. Draft McKinnon and count your blessings.

I wonder if Cammy would accept a deal to the Panthers, it might be just enough. Heck, I don't think there is a player on the Flames roster I wouldn't deal with our 3 first rounders to get McKinnon.

(the avs are taking Jones)

[Hockey_Ninja]

Also if you want the guy desperately then at least spell his name right.

[Trailer Fire]

There are a good number of options outside of a second rounder, which we don't have by he way. Stl, Pitt, our 1st next year and Cammy at 4 mil with some salary coming back and their first.

[Poe969]

for a franchise player??? If the Flames can get MacKinnon and keep the #6 pick, they should do it and do it fast. Including next years first rounder is a bit tricky because if Kipper retires, and someone doesn't step up in Iggy and JayBow's place, we have a legit shot at the #1 pick.

[Trailer Fire]

All the more reason to trade it. Ups he value. I'd take a franchise center over anything else. Any day.

[Jacks]

Next years pick should easily be on the table. People are saying that might turn out to be a #1 pick, so what?

It might also be the 14th pick and who is to say that the #1 pick next year will be better than MacKinnon?

I wouldn't give up this year AND next years picks but one of either is okay with me. Depending of course on what else they have to throw in.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by InCoGnEtO

This assumes that ALL three of our 1sts will pan out to be Best Case Scenario.

MacKinnon is as close to a can't miss since Stamkos.

Yep.I think some posters are dreaming of the best case scenario when there is probably a better chance it does not go that way. To many variables that could change the latter 2 picks. Flames could trade one of them for a nhl player in the Butler relm. They could trade down one of them to pick up a 2nd and 3rd. They could go off the board with both latter picks. One or both don't reach their potential.

It really does not matter because i doubt the Av's trade down all the way to 6. I watched the Roy press conference live and he made it sound that if they trade down they would still want to be in an area of picking one of the top 3.

The Detroit game really came back to hurt us. Those 2 points put us out of 3rd. If we had been 3rd getting to #1 to get McKinnon would not have been hard. Probably would have cost #3 and Pitt pick at the most, maybe even a 3rd round pick coming back to Calgary. For all those posters on the Detroit game thread that told us to "suck it", it really looks like we are sucking it now.

[calgARI]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Next years pick should easily be on the table. People are saying that might turn out to be a #1 pick, so what?

It might also be the 14th pick and who is to say that the #1 pick next year will be better than MacKinnon?

I wouldn't give up this year AND next years picks but one of either is okay with me. Depending of course on what else they have to throw in.

That is how Burke ultimately landed the Sedins...moving the next year's possible top 5 pick. That's what it'll take this time around - another team believing the Flames will be so terrible next year they will get a top 3 pick.

[moon]

Originally Posted by korzym12

The top teams in the league have players all over the top scorers/etc lists..

You try to get Mackinnon - I'd even throw in Wideman and/or Hudler.

Throwing in Wideman and Hudler lowers the trade value on the Flames side.

Florida doesn't want to add mediocre guys with bad long term deals.

[browna]

Originally Posted by calgARI

That is how Burke ultimately landed the Sedins...moving the next year's possible top 5 pick. That's what it'll take this time around - another team believing the Flames will be so terrible next year they will get a top 3 pick.

Put aside the circus in the upper management, and that I think Hartley is the wrong coach, but with the cap money the Flames will have, it's not as if we're going to see this year's team with a sprinkle of new faces. Upwards of $20m if Kiprusoff retires, let alone any buyouts or moving Cammalleri/Tanguay, means some potential impact players.

Call me optimistic, and totally ignoring the goaltending consistency next year, but I don't see this team doing worse than the this year, assuming Feaster does even an average job (even for him) with the money spent.

This should be the year they do what it takes and turn the book to a new page. Get McKinnon and whoever falls to #6, and sort it all out over the next 2 weeks to spend some of the money they have. If FLA or COL thinks we will stink next year and get 2 first round picks this year and a top 6 one next year, and that makes the deal, you do it. As I said, take on a Campbell or Versteeg contract or any player FLA wants to dump...whatever it takes.

[ignite09]

Originally Posted by browna

Put aside the circus in the upper management, and that I think Hartley is the wrong coach, but with the cap money the Flames will have, it's not as if we're going to see this year's team with a sprinkle of new faces. Upwards of $20m if Kiprusoff retires, let alone any buyouts or moving Cammalleri/Tanguay, means some potential impact players.

Call me optimistic, and totally ignoring the goaltending consistency next year, but I don't see this team doing worse than the this year, assuming Feaster does even an average job (even for him) with the money spent.

This should be the year they do what it takes and turn the book to a new page. Get McKinnon and whoever falls to #6, and sort it all out over the next 2 weeks to spend some of the money they have. If FLA or COL thinks we will stink next year and get 2 first round picks this year and a top 6 one next year, and that makes the deal, you do it. As I said, take on a Campbell or Versteeg contract or any player FLA wants to dump...whatever it takes.

Exactly what superstar player are we picking up with all that cap space? How are we convincing them this team is a better option then all there other options? This team was in a lottery position with Iggy/Bou/Kipper on the team, and we're replacing there production and adding enough on top of that to take a decent step forward in the standings next year?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Next years pick should easily be on the table. People are saying that might turn out to be a #1 pick, so what?

It might also be the 14th pick and who is to say that the #1 pick next year will be better than MacKinnon?

I wouldn't give up this year AND next years picks but one of either is okay with me. Depending of course on what else they have to throw in.

I think both picks is the minimum of what it would take. Next years pick and our other 2 1st rounders doesn't get it done IMO

[Poe969]

The more I think about it, the more I think next years pick should be on the table too... good point. Whatever it takes to get MacKinnon, do it

[calgARI]

Originally Posted by browna

Put aside the circus in the upper management, and that I think Hartley is the wrong coach, but with the cap money the Flames will have, it's not as if we're going to see this year's team with a sprinkle of new faces. Upwards of $20m if Kiprusoff retires, let alone any buyouts or moving Cammalleri/Tanguay, means some potential impact players.

Call me optimistic, and totally ignoring the goaltending consistency next year, but I don't see this team doing worse than the this year, assuming Feaster does even an average job (even for him) with the money spent.

This should be the year they do what it takes and turn the book to a new page. Get McKinnon and whoever falls to #6, and sort it all out over the next 2 weeks to spend some of the money they have. If FLA or COL thinks we will stink next year and get 2 first round picks this year and a top 6 one next year, and that makes the deal, you do it. As I said, take on a Campbell or Versteeg contract or any player FLA wants to dump...whatever it takes.

I strongly agree. Everyone out there saying the Flames will completely suck next year ignore what Columbus did this year with one of the worst on-paper teams I have ever seen, ignore what Florida did last year with a bunch of mercs, and what Phoenix has been doing for three years. Of course terrible management and a coach who isn't exactly a defensive focused guy make this a different situation.