11 minutes of Iginla love from TSN

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

Maybe I just have a case of the dumbs today, but I am having trouble with this post.


Iggy took a team that had no business playing 25 games in the playoffs and led them to the finals, and along the way he was the bat player in the world for 3 months.


Joe on the other had almost always had an all star cast to work with.


If you are placing joe much higher than iggy because of his jewellery then I think it is an unfair comparison.

Your post is a huge discredit to Darrly Sutter, Kipper and a bunch of other players that stepped up at various critical times in 2004. It really was a complete team effort which is probably why the team was never able to replicate that performance given how the dressing room divided between the defensive and offensive players.

[MolsonInBothHands]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I certainly don't think Iggy was a terrible captain the past few years, but your "chuckle" really doesn't do much but potentially indicate you didn't take much of a sophisticated ear to what was said in that video. Almost to a man, from Crosby to Bylsma, you heard, quiet, doesn't say much, leads by example.

Something that likely really enhances the leadership on a team stacked with leaders who can fill the other leadership roles. Something tells me though, a struggling team, lacking direction like the Flames were the past few seasons, likely could have used a captain who was vocal in the room, especially when there weren't many other leaders on the team.

Does that mean Iggy wasn't a capable leader the past few years, heck no, but it could mean he wasn't the right leader (or at least not on his own) in Calgary the past few years. I think this is likely true, and management should have found another leaderships presence in Calgary to help him out, because Iggy's style of leadership didn't seem to be the right fit for the team the last few seasons.

You are making a huge assumption that Iginla is going to be the same type of leader to team that he has just arrived to, where he doesn't wear a letter, and where the two best centers in the game reside, vs. a team where he was the face of the franchise, scoring leader, captain, and biggest salary for a very long time.

The statement that none of us have a friggin' clue about the dressing room dynamics in either city is still valid.

EDIT: And this is coming from a guy who is suspicious about his leadership ability in his latter years in Calgary. This piece reveals nothing about how he conducted his business in Calgary though.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Your post is a huge discredit to Darrly Sutter, Kipper and a bunch of other players that stepped up at various critical times in 2004. It really was a complete team effort which is probably why the team was never able to replicate that performance given how the dressing room divided between the defensive and offensive players.

And your previous post is a huge discredit to the supporting cast Sakic had for his 2 cups.

Or did Roy, Forsberg, Hejduk, Drury, Tanguay, Foote, Lemieux, Deadmarsh, Blake, Bourque not play a factor? lol

You simply can't compare the team accomplishments between these two when talking about their ability to lead.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Does anyone think Iginla would make a good coach when he retires from playing? Hadn't thought much about it til now, but he's so well-respected and well-mannered that I'm sure he'll get an opportunity.

I think his personality would translate into a bad coach. He's got Craig Conroy syndrome....just too nice of a guy who wouldn't be able to say anything negative about anyone, even if it was justified or necessary. Plus, when you're a coach, you have to be able to teach and communicate... you can't just lead by example anymore.

[SuperMatt18]

Iggy to me is more of a GM then a coach, and even that is a bit of a reach with his personality.

[Table 5]

Iggy to me is more of a "retire and become a nice guy ambassador for your team". Like Lanny.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by CGY12

And your previous post is a huge discredit to the supporting cast Sakic had for his 2 cups.

Or did Roy, Forsberg, Hejduk, Drury, Tanguay, Foote, Lemieux, Deadmarsh, Blake, Bourque not play a factor? lol

You simply can't compare the team accomplishments between these two when talking about their ability to lead.

Where did I say Sakic carried the Avalanche? A poster claimed Iggy took the Flames to that 2004 final and I disagreed.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by MolsonInBothHands

You are making a huge assumption that Iginla is going to be the same type of leader to team that he has just arrived to, where he doesn't wear a letter, and where the two best centers in the game reside, vs. a team where he was the face of the franchise, scoring leader, captain, and biggest salary for a very long time.

The statement that none of us have a friggin' clue about the dressing room dynamics in either city is still valid.

EDIT: And this is coming from a guy who is suspicious about his leadership ability in his latter years in Calgary. This piece reveals nothing about how he conducted his business in Calgary though.

No I'm not, because numerous team mates and ex-coaches of his in his time in Calgary have publicly described his style exactly the same way. So unless they were all lying, it's probably pretty accurate.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Table 5

I think his personality would translate into a bad coach. He's got Craig Conroy syndrome....just too nice of a guy who wouldn't be able to say anything negative about anyone, even if it was justified or necessary. Plus, when you're a coach, you have to be able to teach and communicate... you can't just lead by example anymore.

I think that's why a lot of grinders and role players make for the best coaches. It's a lot easier to teach when you come from a background of not having the elite skills where everything came easy.

[MolsonInBothHands]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

No I'm not, because numerous team mates and ex-coaches of his in his time in Calgary have publicly described his style exactly the same way. So unless they were all lying, it's probably pretty accurate.

Do you happen to have some links to someone saying he wasn't vocal in the Calgary dressing room? Serious question, because I certainly don't recall that being said.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by MolsonInBothHands

Do you happen to have some links to someone saying he wasn't vocal in the Calgary dressing room? Serious question, because I certainly don't recall that being said.

Sven said it before the season started. I won't look up the link for you, but you probably won't have a hard time finding it.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by MolsonInBothHands

Do you happen to have some links to someone saying he wasn't vocal in the Calgary dressing room? Serious question, because I certainly don't recall that being said.

Warrener has mentioned it numerous times on 960. Besides it's nothing that should be considered as a slight as that's the type of player he is and that's why so many players like him.

[MolsonInBothHands]

Huh. Found a Pittsburgh article stating in addition to his prowess on the ice, he has a reputation as a fiery and vocal leader. Still can't find anything conclusive to say he was not vocal in the dressing room.

I don't think leading by example and being vocal in the dressing room have to be mutually exclusive, do they?

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by MolsonInBothHands

Do you happen to have some links to someone saying he wasn't vocal in the Calgary dressing room? Serious question, because I certainly don't recall that being said.

Warrner, Playfair have all mentioned it in the past. But no, I don't have the links. It's not meant to be a critique of Iggy, but he's a high profile player, his reputation as a quiet leader versus one that is more vocal is definetly something I've heard from players numerous times over the years. Leading on the ice and by example seems to be commonly accepted as his brand, so I have no reason to doubt it, especially not hearing what his Pens team mates are saying now also.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by MolsonInBothHands

Huh. Found a Pittsburgh article stating in addition to his prowess on the ice, he has a reputation as a fiery and vocal leader. Still can't find anything conclusive to say he was not vocal in the dressing room.

I don't think leading by example and being vocal in the dressing room have to be mutually exclusive, do they?

Nope, they don't, but people who play with him seem to say he's not vocal, he's a quiet guy in the room.

[stignasty]

Pardon me for interrupting your important discussion about how much Jarome Iginla talks, but I just wanted to say that I loved it when Iginla literally undressed Denny Lambert in that fight vs. the Ducks. However, I bet all the guys in the room were like "Wow, that was an awesome fight and everything, but he's so quiet... how could he ever be our leader?"

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by stignasty

Pardon me for interrupting your important discussion about how much Jarome Iginla talks, but I just wanted to say that I loved it when Iginla literally undressed Denny Lambert in that fight vs. the Ducks. However, I bet all the guys in the room were like "Wow, that was an awesome fight and everything, but he's so quiet... how could he ever be our leader?"

Pardon me for interrupting your over simplification of everything that's being discussed in here, but who said he wasn't a good captain?

Different teams have different needs at different times that are made up of lots of factors, including other players on the team, teams current life cycle.

Back when Iggy schooled Lambert (although he wasn't captain yet) and the seasons after when he was a great captain, lots were different. A younger team buying into the system, other veterans who may have been more vocal (Lowrey, Conroy, Gelinas, Nolan, Amonte, etc...), and a very strong coach in D.Sutter. Then things slowly changed, a less motivated veteran team that seemed to need whipping into shape, questionable coaching, lack of other leaders and, perhaps the most important, a less capable Iggy who was no longer able to take the team on his shoulders and fight as often as he did back in the day.

Situationally, is it not possible that Iggy's style of leadership was no longer the right fit for the team? Sure seemed like this team lacked leadership the past few years. That's not all on Iggy, but clearly the situation no longer matched up perfectly, including in the leadership dimension.

[jaydaybay]

Really like to see this video but TSN not working and cant find it on their site. Is there a recent link??

[DeluxeMoustache]

It has been said that Iggy picks his spots in the room. Not a chatterbox like say Conroy, and when he elects to speak, it has weight. I'm sure the guy is not a wallflower.

And walking in to a team with the best player in the works and a lot of success, what do people expect him to do? Change the music?

[stignasty]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

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