2013-2014 Roster

[dammage79]

Starting to wonder if the Kings after this playoff run are going to trade off one of Kopitar, Richards or Carter. They're going to have 13.9 million to fill 11 Roster spots.

Especially on D where you gotta think Voynov is going to need a hefty raise as his ELC runs out. Alec Martinez and Muzzin as well although I do not see them command a big raise yet.

Regher, Ellerby and Scuderi as well. I think only one would be re-signed out of those and it isnt going to be Ellerby.

Mike Richards would be an ideal fit in Calgary as at worst he ends up a third liner but can carry the 1a/1b load with Backlund until the others centers come up.

Kings don't have a first this year so if they win the cup the Pens pick would be one spot better than they were going to pick.

[PlayfulGenius]

An established center like Richards will likely cost young assets and futures that would hurt the Flames more in the long run... I really like Richards, but I hope Feaster isn't making offers for established players like that.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

An established center like Richards will likely cost young assets and futures that would hurt the Flames more in the long run... I really like Richards, but I hope Feaster isn't making offers for established players like that.

I should note I am not advocating this but I could understand why they would make a pitch to Lombardi. Guy is a blood and guts kind of leader on the ice as well and plays tough. And the cost I don't think will be as high as it usually would. This cap crunch is going to squeeze more than a few good players out of places that would not normally be leaving from.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Starting to wonder if the Kings after this playoff run are going to trade off one of Kopitar, Richards or Carter. They're going to have 13.9 million to fill 11 Roster spots.

Especially on D where you gotta think Voynov is going to need a hefty raise as his ELC runs out. Alec Martinez and Muzzin as well although I do not see them command a big raise yet.

Regher, Ellerby and Scuderi as well. I think only one would be re-signed out of those and it isnt going to be Ellerby.

Mike Richards would be an ideal fit in Calgary as at worst he ends up a third liner but can carry the 1a/1b load with Backlund until the others centers come up.

Kings don't have a first this year so if they win the cup the Pens pick would be one spot better than they were going to pick.

28 years old, past captain, pure Center, with a reasonable cap hit at 5.75 million (although the term kind of sucks at 7 more years). Not a bad move IMO. However, although he is 28 years old I don't know of you can classify him as pre-apex as his last 70+ point season was 5 years ago, and pro-rated for an 82 game season this year he would have had about 55 points. Tough call, wouldn't hate it if he was acquired, wouldn't hate it if he's not. Doubt he would waive to come here though.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I should note I am not advocating this but I could understand why they would make a pitch to Lombardi. Guy is a blood and guts kind of leader on the ice as well and plays tough. And the cost I don't think will be as high as it usually would. This cap crunch is going to squeeze more than a few good players out of places that would not normally be leaving from.

Ya, I absolutely love his style of play and I'd love to have him on the Flames if it meant moving out roster players only...and maybe even covering salary for them as well, that'd be awesome!

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

28 years old, past captain, pure Center, with a reasonable cap hit at 5.75 million (although the term kind of sucks at 7 more years). Not a bad move IMO. However, although he is 28 years old I don't know of you can classify him as pre-apex as his last 70+ point season was 5 years ago, and pro-rated for an 82 game season this year he would have had about 55 points. Tough call, wouldn't hate it if he was acquired, wouldn't hate it if he's not. Doubt he would waive to come here though.

Fun Fact, only Robin Regher has a NTC on the Kings according to capgeek, and theyre pretty good at keeping tabs on stuff like that.

[TheREDarmY]

I like the sound of bringing in someone like Patrick Berglund via trade. I'm not sure what it would cost, but he would fill our "pre apex" center need. I think i read somewhere that he and Backlund are good friends, and had chemistry together when playing in Vasteras. Then Flames can look to draft Lindholm.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Fun Fact, only Robin Regher has a NTC on the Kings according to capgeek, and theyre pretty good at keeping tabs on stuff like that.

Hmmmm interesting. It looks like both Richards and Carter were traded before their NTC's kicked in, thus nullifying them for their new teams.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

TB would never do that trade. To get into the top 3 is going to cost more than a late 1st round pick.

I love it when people claim this. Why exactly? It has never historically cost as much as a top 10 pick + a late 1st rounder to get the 3rd overall pick. Why is suddenly not enough value? It might not work on NHL 2013, but receiving an extra 1st rounder to move down 3 spots is actually an attractive deal.

[Sakari]

Kadri or Berglund would be interesting to pick up as an RFA. Not sure that it's worth it though. I think, just like every good team in the league today did, we need to build a strong, big, talented core via the draft. Any other way will probably crash and burn.

[TheREDarmY]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

I love it when people claim this. Why exactly? It has never historically cost as much as a top 10 pick + a late 1st rounder to get the 3rd overall pick. Why is suddenly not enough value? It might not work on NHL 2013, but receiving an extra 1st rounder to move down 3 spots is actually an attractive deal.

It's is possible. In this scenario there wasn't a late 1st round involved but the rumored package is still significant.


--How highly did the Blue Jackets value defenseman Ryan Murray before taking him with the No. 2 overall pick in Friday's first round of the NHL Draft? Enough to turn down an eye-opening offer from the New York Islanders, who, according to numerous NHL sources, offered all of their picks -- one in each round -- for the right to move up from No. 4 to No. 2 for Murray.

That's right, for the Jackets' No. 2 pick, the Islanders offered pick Nos. 4, 34, 65, 103, 125, 155 and 185. The bounty would have given the Jackets the following picks: 4, 31, 34, 62, 65, 95, 103, 125, 152, 155, 182 and 185. --

link: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...s-during-draft

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Originally Posted by TheREDarmY

It's is possible. In this scenario there wasn't a late 1st round involved but the rumored package is still significant.


--How highly did the Blue Jackets value defenseman Ryan Murray before taking him with the No. 2 overall pick in Friday's first round of the NHL Draft? Enough to turn down an eye-opening offer from the New York Islanders, who, according to numerous NHL sources, offered all of their picks -- one in each round -- for the right to move up from No. 4 to No. 2 for Murray.

That's right, for the Jackets' No. 2 pick, the Islanders offered pick Nos. 4, 34, 65, 103, 125, 155 and 185. The bounty would have given the Jackets the following picks: 4, 31, 34, 62, 65, 95, 103, 125, 152, 155, 182 and 185. --

link: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...s-during-draft

I think that's a reasonable offer for a guy your club really wants, and I think it's reasonable to turn it down if you're 100% about the same player.

But it's worth pointing out that the management of both of these clubs is pretty much incompetent.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!

I think that's a reasonable offer for a guy your club really wants, and I think it's reasonable to turn it down if you're 100% about the same player.

But it's worth pointing out that the management of both of these clubs is pretty much incompetent.

Yup. Bat Country Howson & Garth Snow trade proposals aren't something any GM should aspire to replicate.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

As an example, I would be okay with giving up all of Calgary's natural picks (ie not the extra 1st rounders) to move up and get Barkov or McKinnon.

But I suppose there's a whole thread about that topic.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

I love it when people claim this. Why exactly? It has never historically cost as much as a top 10 pick + a late 1st rounder to get the 3rd overall pick. Why is suddenly not enough value? It might not work on NHL 2013, but receiving an extra 1st rounder to move down 3 spots is actually an attractive deal.

I don't know all the history of trades at the draft or where to look them up, but i don't remember it being as easy as a top 10 pick and a late first getting you to 3rd. If that's the case then why even bother with trying to get to 3rd, when with your theory, the St. Louis pick plus 6th would easily get the flames to #2.


There seems to be a consensus that the top 3 players ( Jones, MacKinnon, and Drouin) are on another level from the rest. To get to that level is going to cost. If it was reversed would you trade #3 for #6 and #27-30? I think the answer for most posters would be no.

I can't really think of many trades that have involved getting into the top 3 and there probably is a reason for that, cost.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I don't know all the history of trades at the draft or where to look them up, but i don't remember it being as easy as a top 10 pick and a late first getting you to 3rd. If that's the case then why even bother with trying to get to 3rd, when with your theory, the St. Louis pick plus 6th would easily get the flames to #2.


There seems to be a consensus that the top 3 players ( Jones, MacKinnon, and Drouin) are on another level from the rest. To get to that level is going to cost. If it was reversed would you trade #3 for #6 and #27-30? I think the answer for most posters would be no.

I can't really think of many trades that have involved getting into the top 3 and there probably is a reason for that, cost.

http://www.prosportstransactions.com...tTrades/Years/

Here is a history of the draft by year, just click on the year and it has all the information on what picks were swapped for what, and which team eventually took which player.

For instance, if you click on 2004, you'll see that Carolina trade the 8th overall and the 59th overall to Columbus in order to move to 4th overall and snag Andrew Ladd.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

I don't know all the history of trades at the draft or where to look them up, but i don't remember it being as easy as a top 10 pick and a late first getting you to 3rd. If that's the case then why even bother with trying to get to 3rd, when with your theory, the St. Louis pick plus 6th would easily get the flames to #2.


There seems to be a consensus that the top 3 players ( Jones, MacKinnon, and Drouin) are on another level from the rest. To get to that level is going to cost. If it was reversed would you trade #3 for #6 and #27-30? I think the answer for most posters would be no.

I can't really think of many trades that have involved getting into the top 3 and there probably is a reason for that, cost.

Obviously it varies from draft to draft, but in a deep draft like this one a savy GM might think 2 1st round prospects are more valuable than 1. I would certainly approach negotiations with that mindset.

A lot of posters think it would cost us #6 + Sven or something ludicrous like that, when in reality it has rarely cost so much to move up to #3. #1 overall is a different story entirely.

Anyway, back to pencilling in Nathan Mackinnon as the Flames #1 C/RW next season...

[TurnedTheCorner]

I'm just going to enjoy the playoffs, entry draft and FA kick-off first. I'll start thinking about this in August or September.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

Obviously it varies from draft to draft, but in a deep draft like this one a savy GM might think 2 1st round prospects are more valuable than 1. I would certainly approach negotiations with that mindset.

A lot of posters think it would cost us #6 + Sven or something ludicrous like that, when in reality it has rarely cost so much to move up to #3. #1 overall is a different story entirely.

Anyway, back to pencilling in Nathan Mackinnon as the Flames #1 C/RW next season...

Thanks "Roof Daddy" for the site. After looking it up, i will admit i was wrong. There were not a lot of trades that involved top 3 for the last 10 years, but it did not seem like it would cost nearly as much as i thought.

I'm with you on getting MacKinnon. Flames should offer the #6 and the Blues pick for #2. Hell throw in the 3rd round pick also if need be. Hell take it one step further and offer #6, #22 and 2nd round pick in 2014. Get it done Feaster.

[dammage79]

Wow are there going to be some teams in a lot of trouble this offseason.

Flyers have so many people on the Flyers NHL payroll the Cap geek numbers are skewed (14 forwards and 8 d-men not including Pronger as he will be on LTIR forever I think) Also not including the UFA/RFA's on the list.

Hawks will have 2 million to re-sign a bunch of young players coming off ELC and whatnot.

Actually if you go to Capgeek and look at the top half of the cap board, those teams are going to have to do a lot of shuffling. Theres going to be some Great steals out there for team with a lot of cap flex.