2013 Draft: Who is going to drop?

[PlayfulGenius]

I really like that one of Hagg, Shinkaruk, Horvat, Domi or Pulock could be available with the STL pick... This draft is going to be great for Flames!!

[PlayfulGenius]

I hope Domi plummets to the Flames 2nd pick

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

If feaster is taking about it he really must want to talk Lindholm into be taken before the Flames pick.

Either Barkov falls to the Flames of the Flames take Monahan.

Either way if Lindholm is gone before the Flames pick then Feaster is not going to be blamed for passing on him.

Jones, Mackinnion, Drouin, Barkov, Nurse leaves the Flames picking Monahan and the Oilers having to pass on both Nichushkin and Lindholm (for the same reasons the Flames pass on them... teams in need of grit).

Sabres with Gerbe Ennis and Hodgson as their young small talented guys might pass as well.

Lindholm either gets picked 4-5 or 10-11 not that much of a drop.

With LA and Boston doing well in the Playoffs the NHL will be swing back to an extra premium on big gritty players.

Okay, we get it, you like Monahan but stop throwing Lindholm under the "soft player" bus for crying out loud. It's false. You are obviously either trying to troll or are simply as stubborn as a blind mule in a quicksand pit.

Everything.....I mean EVERYTHING you are saying about Lindholm is to the contrary of what almost every single scout says about him.

Lindholm won't be passed up by any team for his lack of grit. Because it's not the issue. He won't be passed up because of his size because it's not an issue. Crosby is the same size as Lindholm give or take eight pounds and doesn't seem to be an issue with his size. Crosbys issues lately seem to be about how to successfully take a puck in the face.

[PlayfulGenius]

I forgot about Lazar!!!!

[Hemi-Cuda]

Knowing the Flames, they will be the cause of one player dropping as they pick someone completely off the board at #6 (a college kid no doubt). Cue Feaster saying in the interview "We think we snagged a real gem here who will end up being the best player in this draft"

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Knowing the Flames, they will be the cause of one player dropping as they pick someone completely off the board at #6 (a college kid no doubt). Cue Feaster saying in the interview "We think we snagged a real gem here who will end up being the best player in this draft"

I am SO tired on reading this on here.

[Roof-Daddy]

It wasn't funny the first 5,653 times I read it.

Still not.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Knowing the Flames, they will be the cause of one player dropping as they pick someone completely off the board at #6 (a college kid no doubt). Cue Feaster saying in the interview "We think we snagged a real gem here who will end up being the best player in this draft"

Just because Feaster went off the board once, in a weak draft year i mind you, doesn't mean he's going to do it again. Did he go off the board picking Sven? Feaster knows he has to knock all three picks out of the park, he is not going to reach @ 6.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Just because Feaster wen't off the board, in a weak draft year i mind you, doesn't mean he's going to do it again. Did he go off the board picking Sven? Feaster knows he has to knock all three picks out of the park, he is not going to reach @ 6.

Moreover the flames didn't even go off the board

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by cral12

I don't think the quote in THN is referring to "off ice issues" in the least.

What they are saying is that because he is so gifted, he's been allowed to get away with things on the ice, and that he'll have to better learn the team game going forward.

His coaches have nothing but praise for his off ice work ethic and his invaluable leadership abilities.

Oh I know he doesn't have off ice issues. It's the on ice stuff he's been allowed to get away with that worries me just a bit. Of course, I think a guy like Ward would force him to be good on ice teammate. I'm just saying it might be a red flag for a team and he might drop to later in the round. Maybe. It's just my guess.

[PlayfulGenius]

In previous years, is it typical to have players climb the rankings due to their team going deep in the CHL playoffs? If so, perhaps players from teams that didn't make the playoffs are most likely to drop...

... Perhaps players like Domi, Lazar, Petan and Horvat climb while Monahan and Shinkanruk slide?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

The minds of the scouts should be mostly made up before the playoffs. I think some tinkering can definitely be done based on playoff performance but players could drop or rise.

I don't believe that all players who missed the playoffs would fall and all players who went deep would rise. If someone had a truly amazing playoff run they could see their stock go up.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

The minds of the scouts should be mostly made up before the playoffs. I think some tinkering can definitely be done based on playoff performance but players could drop or rise.

I don't believe that all players who missed the playoffs would fall and all players who went deep would rise. If someone had a truly amazing playoff run they could see their stock go up.

I like to see an analysis of this...it would make sense to me that players making a deep run would simply become more and more familiar to the scouts...I could see that going both ways though, I guess.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Okay, we get it, you like Monahan but stop throwing Lindholm under the "soft player" bus for crying out loud. It's false. You are obviously either trying to troll or are simply as stubborn as a blind mule in a quicksand pit.

Everything.....I mean EVERYTHING you are saying about Lindholm is to the contrary of what almost every single scout says about him.

Lindholm won't be passed up by any team for his lack of grit. Because it's not the issue. He won't be passed up because of his size because it's not an issue. Crosby is the same size as Lindholm give or take eight pounds and doesn't seem to be an issue with his size. Crosbys issues lately seem to be about how to successfully take a puck in the face.

Case in point.... Crosby not overly small but Pittsburgh surrounds him with big strong players....

Crosby and Kunitz are the smallest Pittsburgh forward and Letang at 6' 200 lbs is the smallest d-man.

On the Flames Crosby would be a big (size-wise) forward. There would be baertshi, Cammalleri and Hudler.... all important players getting lots of ice time significantly smaller than him on the Flames.

Crosby's problems started with Steckel physically dominating him and Hedman just being too big for him to deal with.


Average size and grit don't do it for the Flames..... They need guys who will be able to make space for the small guys.

[OzSome]

Nathan McKinnon will drop to 6.. At least I am hoping.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Case in point.... Crosby not overly small but Pittsburgh surrounds him with big strong players....

Crosby and Kunitz are the smallest Pittsburgh forward and Letang at 6' 200 lbs is the smallest d-man.

On the Flames Crosby would be a big (size-wise) forward. There would be baertshi, Cammalleri and Hudler.... all important players getting lots of ice time significantly smaller than him on the Flames.

Crosby's problems started with Steckel physically dominating him and Hedman just being too big for him to deal with.


Average size and grit don't do it for the Flames..... They need guys who will be able to make space for the small guys.

Of course they need size but you don't pass on obvious skill like Lindholms because he has average size. And you defeat your own argument by pointing out that the Pens built the size AROUND Crosby. They didn't pass on him in the draft because of his size.

But that's besides the point. I posted on your comments that Lindholm lacks enough grit to be successful in the NHL, which is obviously wrong.

I will be happy with Monahan or Lindholm or anyone else the Flames take, but I am not going to sound off with baseless and clearly fictitious comments about a player to prove my preferences and act so narrow minded that it doesn't make for a decent conversation.

I wouldn't even say this if you didn't bring up Crosby in such a fashion that you made it sound like you would have passed on him at a draft because of his average size. I mean seriously? The best player in the league....

And no, I am not comparing Crosby's skill to Lindholm's, just the comparable size.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Case in point.... Crosby not overly small but Pittsburgh surrounds him with big strong players....

Crosby and Kunitz are the smallest Pittsburgh forward and Letang at 6' 200 lbs is the smallest d-man.

On the Flames Crosby would be a big (size-wise) forward. There would be baertshi, Cammalleri and Hudler.... all important players getting lots of ice time significantly smaller than him on the Flames.

Crosby's problems started with Steckel physically dominating him and Hedman just being too big for him to deal with.


Average size and grit don't do it for the Flames..... They need guys who will be able to make space for the small guys.

Do you just copy/paste every reply? I don't think I've seen one where you're not talking about size being the be all and end all of every team.

[FlameZilla]

Shinkaruk is someone I think teams will regret passing on. Looks like a deadly sniper. We're overloaded on LW, but if he drops to the St Louis pick we should grab him. He probably goes 15-21.

I also see Pulock dropping to about 25-30.

Gauthier probably gets picked later than a lot of projections place him. Not enough consistency there, but glimpses of a real talent.

I think Adam Erne gets picked earlier than projected; somewhere 13-18. Someone will take a flyer on Wennberg as well.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Moreover the flames didn't even go off the board

Plus it's not like last year's draft was awesome. Some of the guys profiled to go in the 30-40 range this year would've been top 15 picks (Petan more or less is equivalent to Teravainen)

Jankowski would be picked in the 20-25 range this year and would be in the same conversation as guys like Fredrik Gauthier. It was a solid pick considering what was available (not much)

[Caged Great]

I'd be thrilled if we somehow managed to get Lindholm and Wennberg with our top two picks.