05-03-2013, 09:27 AM
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#41
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Kalispell, Montana
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Leave it to Flames fans to turn prospects playing in the Memorial Cup into a negative.
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05-03-2013, 09:33 AM
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#42
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: SE Calgary!!!
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If the Hitman had to go down, I'm glad that we at least have the Winterhawks to cheer for... When I saw that the rematch was happening, I thought of this:
https://www.facebook.com/video/embed...50790077963937
Last edited by FlamesFanInOilCountry; 05-03-2013 at 09:36 AM.
Reason: My attempt at editing was a FAIL
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05-03-2013, 10:05 AM
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#43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan
Leave it to Flames fans to turn prospects playing in the Memorial Cup into a negative.
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who did that?
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05-03-2013, 08:20 PM
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#44
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Game 1 in underway in Portland. It's on Shaw Channel 303 in HD.
It's 5 minutes in, Portland has completely controlled the play and lead the shots 8-1, but Edmonton leads the game 1-0.
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05-03-2013, 08:56 PM
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#45
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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OKs up 1-0 after 1.
Portland dominated every aspect of the game in the first except for the scoreboard (shots were 16-6 for the Hawks). The Winterhawks put the puck past Brossoit once on a sick three-way passing play on a 3-on-1, but upon review, it was determined that the Portland player kicked the puck in (close call, IMO, but the right one).
I said before that Brossoit is going to have to have a repeat MVP performance if Edmonton hopes to win, and I stand by that statement after the first.
There was a question earlier in the thread about Wotherspoon and Jones playing together. From what I could tell, they're mostly rolling two pairings on D: Rutkowski & Pouliot and Jones & Wotherspoon, then a couple of times, they got their fifth and sixth D-men into the game by pairing one with Jones and one with Wotherspoon. Most of the time, including on the PP, Wotherspoon and Jones were on the ice together.
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05-03-2013, 10:13 PM
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#46
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Anyone watching this? Jones looks pretty disinterested in this game, just let Lazar score from in front of the net uncontested. Oil Kings up 4-1.
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05-03-2013, 10:43 PM
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#47
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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The OKs cranked it up in the second and third to win it 4-1. Brossoit was the second star with 35 saves.
I still think the Winterhawks will win the series, but it will be a long one.
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05-03-2013, 10:44 PM
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#48
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No Baertschi, no chance for the Winterhawks.
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05-03-2013, 10:52 PM
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#49
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ashasx
No Baertschi, no chance for the Winterhawks.
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He was in the building cheering the Hawks on. They showed him in the second period and he gave a nice wave to the crowd (cute girl sitting beside him who I assume is his girlfriend).
He needs to go down to the room and give a rousing speech to the team before tomorrow's game.
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05-04-2013, 11:59 AM
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#50
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First Line Centre
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Anyone have thoughts on Petan or Lazar?
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05-04-2013, 12:25 PM
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#51
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by UKflames
Loving the trash talk between them, sets up for a good spirit if/when they head to ABB or YYC.
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They actually grew up together, may even be best friends if I remember correctly. Then being drafted by the same NHL team was great for them from the get go.
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05-04-2013, 12:41 PM
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#52
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Will he turn out to be another Brent Krahn? Quite possibly.
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This is not a great comparison IMO. Krahn, while never amounting to much had first round pedigree. He suffered injuries in the seasons subsequent to his draft. His Major Jr. career was essentially cut short. Once becoming a pro, he suffered injuries to the same knee. He didn't have an injury free season as a flame since his draft year.
The more direct 'negative' comparable to Brossoit is Matt Keetley. Drafted in the 5th round, Keetley went on to be mvp of the WHL playoffs and won the award for top goalie at the Mem cup, though not winning the tournament itself. I believe that was the second season after being drafted, being this season for Brossoit.
Obviously, Keetley didn't amount to much as a pro, but the two career trajectories are quite similar right now between he and Brossoit. As Enoch indicated, the question of becoming a good NHL goalie is much to do with opportunity. At this point, Brossoit is very much a 'legitimate prospect'.
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05-04-2013, 01:02 PM
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#53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Major
This is not a great comparison IMO. Krahn, while never amounting to much had first round pedigree. He suffered injuries in the seasons subsequent to his draft. His Major Jr. career was essentially cut short. Once becoming a pro, he suffered injuries to the same knee. He didn't have an injury free season as a flame since his draft year.
The more direct 'negative' comparable to Brossoit is Matt Keetley. Drafted in the 5th round, Keetley went on to be mvp of the WHL playoffs and won the award for top goalie at the Mem cup, though not winning the tournament itself. I believe that was the second season after being drafted, being this season for Brossoit.
Obviously, Keetley didn't amount to much as a pro, but the two career trajectories are quite similar right now between he and Brossoit. As Enoch indicated, the question of becoming a good NHL goalie is much to do with opportunity. At this point, Brossoit is very much a 'legitimate prospect'.
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Keetley had his success as a 20 year old though didn't he?
Brossoit went to the Memorial Cup as an 18 year old and back to the WHL finals as a 19 year old.
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05-04-2013, 02:37 PM
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#54
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef
Keetley had his success as a 20 year old though didn't he?
Brossoit went to the Memorial Cup as an 18 year old and back to the WHL finals as a 19 year old.
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You might be right on age. Keetley was drafted in 2005, and went to Memorial cup final in 2007, losing to a couple other bust Flames prospects and Milan Lucic of the Vancouver Giants.
Brossoit drafted in 2011, went to Memorial cup in 2012 but did not have a good showing. Perhaps again in 2013. Not EXACTLY like Keetley, but pretty close I think.
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05-04-2013, 02:45 PM
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#55
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by speeds
Anyone have thoughts on Petan or Lazar?
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They're both definitely players you notice when they're on the ice, and they make things happen.
My concerns about Petan are his size and the question about how much of his success this year has been the result of playing on the highest-scoring line in the WHL.
I think Lazar is more likely to be a solid NHLer.
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05-06-2013, 03:27 AM
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#56
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Originally Posted by Major Major
You might be right on age. Keetley was drafted in 2005, and went to Memorial cup final in 2007, losing to a couple other bust Flames prospects and Milan Lucic of the Vancouver Giants.
Brossoit drafted in 2011, went to Memorial cup in 2012 but did not have a good showing. Perhaps again in 2013. Not EXACTLY like Keetley, but pretty close I think.
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You are really underestimating the amount of development that happens between the ages of 18 and 20.
Also the trajectory is not nearly as close as you stated. Let's look a little closer.
17 year old season - Brossoit played in 34 games going 13-12-2. His #s were 3.32gaa & .887sv% and was then drafted in 6th round
- Keetley played in 3 games going 0-1-0. His #s were 4.17gaa & .881sv% and went undrafted
18 year old season - Brossoit played in 61 games going 42-13-5. His #s were 2.47gaa & .914sv% and was WHL playoff MVP en route to a WHL Championship and Memorial Cup appearance.
- Keetley played in 32 games going 21-5-3. His #s were 1.66gaa & .933sv% and was drafted in the 5th round
19 year old season - Brossoit played in 49 games going 33-8-6. His #s were 2.25gaa & .917sv% and is currently in his 2nd straight WHL championship series and is a favorite once again for MVP if Edmonton wins.
- Keetley played 62 games going 42-13-6. His #s were 2.09gaa & .916sv% and reached the 3rd round of the playoffs
20 year old season - Brossoit's is to be determined
- Keetley played in 55 games going 42-11-1. His #s were 2.19gaa & .913sv% and won the WHL Championship and went to the Memorial Cup.
Seems to me Brossoit has improved every year and is doing everything 1-2 years ahead of Keetley. Keetley's numbers also never showed any improvement while he was a regular in the league.
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05-06-2013, 09:23 AM
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#57
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
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Would be pretty difficult to improve on 1.66 GAA and .933 save pct to be fair.
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05-06-2013, 11:05 AM
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Well, thank you for doing some heavy lifting... Those two look pretty similar to me, much more than Krahn and Brossoit, certainly, which was my original point. If I found a goalie that was in the annals of Flames history who had the exact numbers and birthdate as Brossoit, then I guess we could call them similar?
'Not nearly as similar as you state, Major, he spells his name with two s'."
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05-06-2013, 11:50 AM
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#59
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: PEI
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It also has to do with timing. If I recall Keetley did have a good year in the AHL, but with Kipper in front of him, he never got the chance to prove anything. Brossoit should not have to worry about that. He will start the year in the A, but there is not a #1 goalie in front of him.
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05-06-2013, 02:27 PM
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#60
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Major Major
Well, thank you for doing some heavy lifting... Those two look pretty similar to me, much more than Krahn and Brossoit, certainly, which was my original point. If I found a goalie that was in the annals of Flames history who had the exact numbers and birthdate as Brossoit, then I guess we could call them similar?
'Not nearly as similar as you state, Major, he spells his name with two s'."
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You are only finding similarities because you are looking for them. I am sure you can find dozens of 19 and 20 year old goaltenders who did as well as Brossoit did a year younger. You are seriously understating what an extra year of development does for a goaltender. The fact Keetley wasn't even drafted until he was 19 also says a great deal.
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