Trade to Penguins has rejuvenated Iginla

[polak]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Kind of contradicting yourself there. You'll be happy if he wins it but if he does it'll feel like any other player winning it?

Yeah. Samething like when Darryl won his cup.

I was happy for him, but it didn't make my day or anything like that. I should say that I'm not actively cheering on the Pens like I thought I would.

(I was actively cheering on the Kings but only cause I like when teams that haven't won a cup win one)

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

No they wouldn't. Not even close. Bylsma has coached that team a lot of time without one or both of Crosby and Malkin and they never miss a beat. He's one of the top 5 coaches in the NHL.

I really don't get why Bylsma gets as much credit as he does. Pittsburgh had gone to the SC finals and lost in game 6 the year before under Therrien, so I don't really see how he was such a huge improvement. After that he has fallen well below expectations with respect to playoff performance (has anyone ever seen worse defense in the playoffs than they did from Pittsburgh last year against the Flyers?). The man looked impressive in a heavily edited HBO 24/7. Not saying he is a bad coach by any means, but top 5 seems unwarranted.

[Flame On]

Yeah as per the title of the thread, It's rejuvenated the Flames too.
In my opinion.

I definitely think Jarome was part of the problem, and not; as Locke sagely pointed out, even necessarily his fault. But still.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Flame On

Yeah as per the title of the thread, It's rejuvenated the Flames too.
In my opinion.

I definitely think Jarome was part of the problem, and not; as Locke sagely pointed out, even necessarily his fault. But still.

The problem was clearly the old man country club we had going on. It wasn't Iginla's fault, but he was the focus and major cause of that attitude. I appreicate what Iggy did, but it's clear things went on for too long. The team offered far too many long term/NTC to guys Iggy liked. We ended up with an umotivated bunch doing the bare minimum.

The Pitts deal was a win/win/win. Iggy, Pitts, and the Flames all get what they needed. I'll echo other posters in saying that I was initially shocked by the trade. I wanted Iggy to re-sign with Calgary in the off season. Now, however, after seeing the kids play and actually try. I could care less if Iggy comes back. If he does, he'd better be treated less like the centrepiece of the team. That role belongs to guys like Baertschi now.

[Galakanokis]

Originally Posted by Locke

In a lot of ways everything he says is a dig at the Flames. Sometimes in a good and bad way.

"Getting used to different things."

Things didnt change around here either because Iggy didnt want them to or because he didnt actively attempt to change things.

I'm coming to the feeling that a big problem with the Calgary Flames was Jarome Iginla. And maybe not actively, and it may not have been his fault, but its there none the less.

Things didnt change around here because people were too passive about upsetting Iggy, or systems didnt change because Iggy didnt want to adapt, players came in and went out because Iggy wanted it.

Iggy became bigger than the Calgary Flames and everyone suffered because of it.

Again, this may not have been his fault, I sincerely doubt most of it was, but it still happened.

This is how I feel as well. Iginla simply had to move on for the Flames to change. No disrespect to Iginla but deep down I am glad he is gone.

I hope he does well in Pittsburgh and I would love to see him sign an extension there. Would really love to see what he could do with an elite center. But as much as I want him to do well I really would love to see Sutter and Regehr win this year as well. I think Sutter is one hell of a coach and would love to see Regehr step his game up one last time.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Of course the trade re-juvinated Iginla. In case anyone was watching, it also rejuvinated the Flames. That's what happens when people end a relationship that is no longer working, both parties are better off.

The Flames were no longer a fit for Iginla, and Iginla was no longer a fit for the Flames because they no longer met each others needs. People need to stop looking at Iggy's comments, or the Flames comments and trying to figure out if it was a shot against the other, or try to figure out "did Iggy like it here".

Of course he liked it here, he was here for what, 17 years. But as of right now, he didn't like it here because the relationship wasn't right for both and he moved on. Now both are happier and better off moving forward, nothing more to it.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ark2

I really don't get why Bylsma gets as much credit as he does. Pittsburgh had gone to the SC finals and lost in game 6 the year before under Therrien, so I don't really see how he was such a huge improvement. After that he has fallen well below expectations with respect to playoff performance (has anyone ever seen worse defense in the playoffs than they did from Pittsburgh last year against the Flyers?). The man looked impressive in a heavily edited HBO 24/7. Not saying he is a bad coach by any means, but top 5 seems unwarranted.

If you polled the league he'd probably be top 3 as I feel I was conservative at top 5. Blysma's only issue is that coaching can't make up for bad goaltending which has hurt the Penguins in the playoffs.

It's hard to win the cup so I don't base winning the cup as the sole indicator of a good coach as AV in Vancouver IMO is one of the best coaches in the league and he has no Stanley Cups. I look at consistency every year in the regular season as IMO it's a bigger grind and a hot team can win in the playoffs like the Devils did last year. IMO Barry Trotz and Dave Tippet are also top NHL coaches and would place them ahead of say Randy Carlyle who has won a cop.

[Arsenal14]

Originally Posted by SebC

Maximize our picks! I want the Pens to lose, I want St. Louis to lose, and I want everyone below St. Louis to win. If TOR, OTT, NYI, MIN, DET, LAK win in round 1, we get picks #17 and #22. STL - PIT final, #29 and #30. Huge difference.

Not that it changes your point, but the best the picks can be is #19 and #25 which happens if the four conference finalists come from NYI, MIN, OTT, DET, NYR, SJ, TOR and LA. It doesn't make a difference if St. Louis and Pittsburgh lose in round one or round two, as long as they are out before the conference finals.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Ark2

I really don't get why Bylsma gets as much credit as he does. Pittsburgh had gone to the SC finals and lost in game 6 the year before under Therrien, so I don't really see how he was such a huge improvement. After that he has fallen well below expectations with respect to playoff performance (has anyone ever seen worse defense in the playoffs than they did from Pittsburgh last year against the Flyers?). The man looked impressive in a heavily edited HBO 24/7. Not saying he is a bad coach by any means, but top 5 seems unwarranted.

Coach can't do much if he has the most erratic goaltender in the league.

[Vulcan]

I haven't seen any rejuvenation in Iginla's play. His days of being a power forward appear to be over and he's become more of a sniper. A not too successful one if his stats are to believed. Still playing this style will probably extend his career as he avoids injury but a smart team won't be overpaying him this summer.

[Bertuzzied]

haha suck it Iggy. The bruins are going to own your ass!

well assuming you even get out of the first round.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Of course the trade re-juvinated Iginla. In case anyone was watching, it also rejuvinated the Flames. That's what happens when people end a relationship that is no longer working, both parties are better off.

The Flames were no longer a fit for Iginla, and Iginla was no longer a fit for the Flames because they no longer met each others needs. People need to stop looking at Iggy's comments, or the Flames comments and trying to figure out if it was a shot against the other, or try to figure out "did Iggy like it here".

Of course he liked it here, he was here for what, 17 years. But as of right now, he didn't like it here because the relationship wasn't right for both and he moved on. Now both are happier and better off moving forward, nothing more to it.

This right here echos my view precisely. Some people are reading way too much into Iggy's comments. They're looking way too hard for hidden meaning when there aren't any IMO. You guys need to relax.

Anywho, good for Iginla, and good for the Flames. I'll be cheering Iggy on for that cup. A Kings / Pens final would be fantastic!

[_Q_]

Don't care whether or not Iginla wins the cup. I want what's best for the Flames, and that would be for Pittsburgh to get eliminated right away.

Go Isles!

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Don't care whether or not Iginla wins the cup. I want what's best for the Flames, and that would be for Pittsburgh to get eliminated right away.

Go Isles!

Man if we could go Mike Ditka and trade ALL our picks, do that and get Matt Moulson!

[ForeverFlameFan]

If the Penguins pass the first two rounds of the playoffs, I'll cheer for Iginla. But as of now, I really hope that the Isles win the first round.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Right, I guess we were just missing a coach like Bylsma all those years in Calgary

Do you realize what you're saying here? You're actually insinuating that Calgary had teams equal to what the Pens have with that statement.

[bluloc]

Couldnt care less about Iggy and if he wins a cup or not. I was sad for a day or 2 but that quickly passed, I hope Pitts gets eliminated quick styles so we get a better draft pick. Suck it Iginla!

[gvitaly]

After the Iginla trade I was reassured once more that I am first and foremost a fan of this team and not the players as individuals. I am happy for Iginla, but it rubs me off the wrong way a little bit when he says how things are better somewhere else.

Originally Posted by Arsenal14

Not that it changes your point, but the best the picks can be is #21 and #25 which happens if the four conference finalists come from VAN, WSH, NYI, MIN, OTT, DET, NYR, SJ, TOR and LA. It doesn't make a difference if St. Louis and Pittsburgh lose in round one or round two, as long as they are out before the conference finals.

I am not sure but isn't the draft order strictly based on point for the #15-#26 places? If that's the case you can add VAN and WSH to the list of four conference finalists.

If I am wrong, please let me know... and I am sorry to have wasted everyone's time.

[keenan87]

It's getting a little boring with new threads popping up every once in a while that is basically saying how Iginla likes it better in Pittsburgh.

Good for him, now lets move on!

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Locke

In a lot of ways everything he says is a dig at the Flames. Sometimes in a good and bad way.

"Getting used to different things."

Things didnt change around here either because Iggy didnt want them to or because he didnt actively attempt to change things.

I'm coming to the feeling that a big problem with the Calgary Flames was Jarome Iginla. And maybe not actively, and it may not have been his fault, but its there none the less.

Things didnt change around here because people were too passive about upsetting Iggy, or systems didnt change because Iggy didnt want to adapt, players came in and went out because Iggy wanted it.

Iggy became bigger than the Calgary Flames and everyone suffered because of it.

Again, this may not have been his fault, I sincerely doubt most of it was, but it still happened.

Meh, it was Darryl's fault for not getting any support up front, but rather kept on getting big slow D-men (aka, Warrener) and defensive 2nd and 3rd rate forwards to plug into the first line with Iggy. Then he got his bro in town and that bloody boring crap of a system worked to get 10th place every season. If you don't call that ball and chains for a guy who's basically a superstar besides Kipper in net, I don't know what you call it. Right now, in Pittsburg, Iggy is on the second line, no chip on his shoulders. Cripes it does feel good at work if you didn't have the world on your shoulders every single work day! Go check out Office Space and you'll know what I mean.