Talked Flames with Pierre McGuire.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

Look 2 posts down. Not only a 1st, but more.

He is looked at as a top 50 prospect in the NHL right now.

You should be able to get a late first round pick for him quite easily (20-30 range).

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

Look 2 posts down. Not only a 1st, but more.

You're telling me you would trade Gaudreau for a late first round pick?

What kind of player are you hoping to get with this 1st round pick?

You hope you can get a prospect with the pedigree of Gaudreau with picks 20-30. Unlikely a single one would break the top 100 prospects in the NHL.

[Swayze11]

I am not saying I would, but his value is not a 1st. Period.

[sun]

Originally Posted by NomNomNom

• He'd LOVE to be the GM of the Calgary Flames and thinks it would be a fun job. I asked if he'd actually want to do that, and he said absolutely.
  

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I don't think Maguire's stance on the pick has changed. When the Flames didn't take TT and instead dropped down - he absolutely blasted them over it on-air. When they then picked Jankowski he liked the selection.

So I think he likes the Flames taking Jankowski, but not the overall strategy that saw them pass on TT to drop down and take him.

Really though have you had a chance recently to revisit the players taken in the 1st round of that draft? Pretty awful 1st round talent IMO. I don't think you could fault the Flames for reaching for a guy that has a chance to be better than most of the players picked ahead of him even if he had a higher unknown/bust factor.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

You're telling me you would trade Gaudreau for a late first round pick?

What kind of player are you hoping to get with this 1st round pick?

I'd look for a highly skilled forward, maybe one that other teams have passed on due to his size or something. Hopefully a guy who can go to the NCAA and dominate there because 3/4 years at college would be good for his growth, if he turns out to dominate at the WJC then it is a bonus

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

I am not saying I would, but his value is not a 1st. Period.

You mock me for saying Gaudreau is easily worth a first round pick, responding with no argument, just simply saying that you are right and I am wrong.

Trading Gaudreau for a 1st round pick would do nothing but slow down the rebuild.

Johnny may never be a regular in the NHL, but I'd say he has a better shot at making it than any pick after 15 in the draft.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Would take Barkov over Mackinnon?

Please don't become the Flames GM.

I don't want him as GM, but considering that he thinks the flames #1 priorty is a #1 center, then he must be in the group that feels that MacKinnon is more of an NHL winger.

[H2SO4(aq)]

who is TT? Teurvanain or whatever?

[Split98]

...I missed something in this thread...

Why are we discussing, in any length, trading Gaudreau for a 1st?

[Swayze11]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

You mock me for saying Gaudreau is easily worth a first round pick, responding with no argument, just simply saying that you are right and I am wrong.

Trading Gaudreau for a 1st round pick would do nothing but slow down the rebuild.

Johnny may never be a regular in the NHL, but I'd say he has a better shot at making it than any pick after 15 in the draft.

Why does he have a better shot?
Why would you want more then a 1st?

What can I argue? I can't predict the future.

There is a reason he was taken in the 4th round. With his size, his odds automatically decrease in making the NHL. My argument is that he is not worth a 1st round pick. I am not saying he hasn't increased his value from where he was drafted.

All 29 other teams have a Gaudreau in their system. If you look at the % of players that make it to the NHL depending on what round they were drafted, its a significant drop off from round 1 to round 2.

If you can increase your chance of getting a full time NHLer, you do it. Again, I am not saying Johnny won't make it and for all I know he is the next St.Louis, but in terms of value at this very moment... how is he worth a 1st?

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Did you watch the same broadcast as the rest of us?

Evidently I didn't.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Split98

...I missed something in this thread...

Why are we discussing, in any length, trading Gaudreau for a 1st?

Because we are hoarding 1st rounders like Sutter and his 20 goal scorers.

[vilzeh]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

who is TT? Teurvanain or whatever?

Teuvo Teräväinen, so ye

[Split98]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Because we are hoarding 1st rounders like Sutter and his 20 goal scorers.

I guess it's related to Pierre's thoughts on us overvaluing our picks.

But I'd rather keep what we know we have in Johnny G than roll the dice again on a late 1st.

My $.02. Was really confused about which thread I was in when I started reading all the 'trade Johnny for a 1st' posts though.

[CliffFletcher]

Gaudreau is probably worth a late 1st rounder. But he's not a blue-chipper by any stretch of the imagination. The dude needs to gain 40 pounds before he reaches Fleury's or St. Louis' playing weight. 40 pounds. He's still a long-shot to make it as an NHLer.

[Wronskian]

I'm indifferent to Jankowski, I still can't believe we passed on TT at 14 though. Lets everyone be perfectly honest, if the Oilers or Canucks made the Jankowski pick at 23 (or whatever it was), we'd be laughing at them.

[Wronskian]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Gaudreau is probably worth a late 1st rounder. But he's not a blue-chipper by any stretch of the imagination. The dude needs to gain 40 pounds before he reaches Fleury's or St. Louis' playing weight. 40 pounds.

Gaudreau would have lesser value than Cory Conacher. Who fetched Ben Bishop...... So yeah, Gaudreau is NOT worth a 1st.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Gaudreau is probably worth a late 1st rounder. But he's not a blue-chipper by any stretch of the imagination. The dude needs to gain 40 pounds before he reaches Fleury's or St. Louis' playing weight. 40 pounds.

If the Flames don't want to ruin him, they definitely need him to play in the AHL for at least 2 years to get used to the hitting.

That or they can call Ben Johnson to shoot him up with some horse steroids.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by Wronskian

I'm indifferent to Jankowski, I still can't believe we passed on TT at 14 though. Lets everyone be perfectly honest, if the Oilers or Canucks made the Jankowski pick at 23 (or whatever it was), we'd be laughing at them.

Well they took Gaunce and Mitch Moroz right after Janko so I was already laughing at them

For the record I think the Jankowski pick is a great one