Package the Pittsburgh pick

[edn88]

The pick has been with the team for less than a week and guys are ready to run it out of town.... What a fan base...

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I think the Sabres really want to get rid of Myers and i think he could be had for very little since he was a healthy scratch a few games wasn't he? I think we could pick him up for next to nothing on our part, we'd be doing them a favour. I think if the Flames end up with top 5 pick, you give up anything to get another top 5 pick and hopefully get McKinnon and Druin (sp)

I think some team going after Myers could definitely happen as the situation in Buffalo has soured

but he still holds a lot more value than that

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by FlamesAllTheWay

As of now the general consensus is theres a good chance it will be the 30th pick. So it could be worth more on draft day when we know for sure and it also has no where else to go but up between now abd then if the Penguins dont live up to expectations. So I say hold it until then unless a really good offer comes along.

Plus we could always use it to move from like 5th overall pick to top 3 if we really wanted one of the top rated guys but were just out of reach.

We finally get two first round picks and now people already want to deal it

You can probably get a similar calibre player in this draft at 30 as you would at 15 as the talent drop off is steep after the top 10 or so according to the pundits. Hold it and take best player available, no need to move it unless you can move into the top 10 at a reasonable cost. Hopefully Bouw nets us another 1st (Detroit gave one for Quincey last year) and we have 3 first rounders and who knows, maybe more if the market is really hot for some of our other players.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

It doesn't even have to be a top 10 pick... get one around 15 and pick up Pulock or Nurse.

Nurse long gone - top 10 pick. Hold it and get a similar player at 30 as you would at 30.

[Dienasty]

I really think the flames should be looking at eating salary and trading cammalerri and bouwmeester. Cammy at 6 m not great, at 3 m awesome. Same with bouw. Under the new system I believe teams are able to eat up to half the cap space on a contract, as the flames will have a ton of space next season, (iggy 7m, cervenka 4m, babchuk 2.5m) there will be a ton of free space. By the time those contracts are up, the flames will then have 6 m to throw at the top free agent, hopefully at the same time a couple prospects are starting to make a name in the NHL. I think flyers would give a 1st and read for bouw at 3 mill per, and maybe la kings would offer there 1st in 2014 and a second in 2013 for cammy at 3m per.

Just some food for thought.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Nurse long gone - top 10 pick. Hold it and get a similar player at 30 as you would at 30.

Nurse, Morrissey, Pulock... one of these guys should be around at 15.

[Dienasty]

You could take this further and move glencross Stajan, and stempniak and get a package of 2nd and third rounders, and some depth prospects.

[FlamesAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

We finally get two first round picks and now people already want to deal it

You can probably get a similar calibre player in this draft at 30 as you would at 15 as the talent drop off is steep after the top 10 or so according to the pundits. Hold it and take best player available, no need to move it unless you can move into the top 10 at a reasonable cost. Hopefully Bouw nets us another 1st (Detroit gave one for Quincey last year) and we have 3 first rounders and who knows, maybe more if the market is really hot for some of our other players.

I never said we had to deal it, just that we should at least wait until we know for sure where it is before we do anything. The assumption for most at the moment is probably that it will be 29th or 30th after all. Unless we somehow get an offer we can't refuse that involves it at the deadline.

I'm really not averse to holding onto it if it comes down to that.

[Caged Great]

The very last thing the Flames should do is squander assets to move up in the draft.

The Flames only have about 6 above average forward/D prospects (Granlund, Baertschi, Gaudreau, Jankowski, Wotherspoon, and Sieloff) with several others that are okay like Arnold, Agostino, Hanowski, Deblouw etc.

The Flames should try to get more picks in the top 60 in this draft. Ideally, that would come from dealing off most of the veteran players on this team. The slightly less preferred but still useful method would be trading down to pick up a few more picks (not with the top pick, but with any of the other picks we might acquire like the Pens pick)

This draft is fairly decent in terms of depth, where a guy that goes in the second round should be good enough to possibly be a top 2 liner. So there should be quite a few guys that could be potential impact NHLers. Getting more darts to throw at the board means more chances of hitting the mark.

If you look at the 03 draft (not comparing this one to that), the Predators had 3 picks in the top two rounds. They spent the first on Ryan Suter. The next on Kevin Klein, and then the third on the best of the bunch in Shea Weber. If they didn't have multiple picks, they likely would've lost out Weber, their best player.

We are in a rebuild mode, so we should be collecting as many assets as possible.

[Captain_Obvious]

^ while that logic is usually sound, there's a HUGE difference in two picks in the top ten this draft vs. one in the top ten and one around 30.

[d_phaneuf]

with the way the lottery is now I would imagine lottery draft picks hold a lot more value before than after

If the Flames did want to target a 2nd top 10 pick, I think it would be best to wait until after the lottery, teams are going to be unlikely to want to deal a chance at the top pick (however slim it may be)

The Philly one is a great example, I could definitely see them being interested in someone like Giordano, and once the lottery is done if they have a late top 10 pick they would considering dealing it in a package for someone because they likely want to go right back to being a contender next year

But I don't see any teams doing it before the deadline

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by FlamesAllTheWay

I never said we had to deal it, just that we should at least wait until we know for sure where it is before we do anything. The assumption for most at the moment is probably that it will be 29th or 30th after all. Unless we somehow get an offer we can't refuse that involves it at the deadline.

I'm really not averse to holding onto it if it comes down to that.

Sorry, wasn't saying you were saying we had to deal it. In fact agree with you on holding it until draft day but don't want to mortgage the pick to move up. To give the 5th overall and 30th to move up 2 slots is too pricey. We'd still get a good player at 5 and a decent player at 30. Players slide all the time , look at Brandon Saad who fell into the second round in his draft year. Should get a real good player in the top 10 and another one at 30. We need all the lottery tickets we can get to increase our odds of landing good players.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

^ while that logic is usually sound, there's a HUGE difference in two picks in the top ten this draft vs. one in the top ten and one around 30.

Yes but Say you trade Giordano by himself, you can likely get a 15-20th pick + a 2nd or 3rd rounder, instead of trading gio + 30 for an 8-10th overall pick.

That's what I meant by squandering assets.

Under the trade separately mode, we would have something like

Barkov + Mantha/Gauthier/Mueller + Burakovsky/Petan + 2nd/3rd

Vs the move up scenario

Barkov + Zadorov/Pulock

To me, there isn't a huge difference in skill between the two guys in option B to make up the chance at getting several good players that would be possible in option A.

[Captain_Obvious]

^ That's pretty convoluted but I understand what you're getting at.

What I'm saying is I think it's worth it to potentially package a couple assets and or a mid level pick to move up to two picks in the top ten. Especially this season.

I said it before and I'll keep saying it because I hope that will force it to happen: I'd love to see us take either MacKinnon or Barkov with our first pick and then use a 2nd early pick to land Sean Monahan.

If we had to burn a couple assets to make something like that happen, I think it would be well worth it as a top ten this deep doesn't come around very often, nor would us being in the position to potentially draft this high.

[lazypucker]

I am going to guess that if the Flames is not getting the 1st overall pick by "merit", they will trade their their 1st pick and Pen's 1st pick for #1 overall. They may have to add a Horak-type prospect as well...