How long until we are competitive and an outsiders view on things

[bluloc]

There's no guarantee that we will have a successful rebuild with Feaster and King running the show. For the love of god I hope we don't end up like the oilers. It seems that this will be our second rebuild that I can remember and for the love of god we all no how the first one ended up. Just goes to show if you have the wrong people running the team it will be like spinning your wheels only to keep ending up in the same place, nowhere!!!!

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I tend to think we have to watch several more years of the owners fumbling around thinking they have a handle on things, eventually they will admit they are hosed and need to bring in someone who is experienced in building an organization as opposed to just trying to get the team into the playoffs.

If this is the case I could see it being another 7 or 8 years before it bears fruit.

This is my worry too, seems this organization has been fumbling too much. We can't even boost about success developing our own players since we seem overly reluctant to give them a chance. At this point bringing in Cammi and Tangs has been a waste of time since we can't even win 3 games in a row. What make this organization think getting rid of everyone for whatever pieces we can get is going to be the answer. I would rather they had a solid plan and players they actually want to target rather than just get rid of these players we have for crap shoot.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

This is my worry too, seems this organization has been fumbling too much. We can't even boost about success developing our own players since we seem overly reluctant to give them a chance. At this point bringing in Cammi and Tangs has been a waste of time since we can't even win 3 games in a row. What make this organization think getting rid of everyone for whatever pieces we can get is going to be the answer. I would rather they had a solid plan and players they actually want to target rather than just get rid of these players we have for crap shoot.

I think getting rid of everything isn't the answer, but I do think it poses the question that has needed to be looked at by the owners for a decade,

what the eff are we doing?

I see this as like AA, they have to hit rock bottom before they will be able to take an honest inventory of their handling of the team.

[JazzyFlame]

10 years

[calgARI]

These upcoming years could make 96-04 look pretty good though at least the organization has some dough to throw away now

[CaramonLS]

4-5 years.

Feaster and the scouting staff will be let go at the end of next season and we will begin our long, slow climb back up to respectability with Jim Nill at the helm.

[calgARI]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

what the eff are we doing?

Not much question these guys run the organization hour by hour. There is never anything resembling a plan, never a plan B, no method whatsoever. Get someone in who knows how to think past next week.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by calgARI

Not much question these guys run the organization hour by hour. There is never anything resembling a plan, never a plan B, no method whatsoever. Get someone in who knows how to think past next week.

The hiring of Feaster was proof positive the team was in deep trouble, what kind of hockey genius is going to go for an assistant GM post in the first place, let alone what it said for the fearfull timidity of the organization unable to plain can Sutter and start a proper candidate search

[mrdonkey]

Five years minimum. Feaster and King should have been canned the minute that ROR fiasco came to light, if not sooner.

More to the point, I seriously doubt the ability of the inept bunglers running this franchise to take a team with almost nothing going for it at the moment and build a Stanley Cup winner. And I also don't trust them to put the right people in place to do it, either. At the moment it appears as though we are in for a CBJ/Florida/Atlanta style rebuild, rather than a Pittsburgh/Chicago one.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I think getting rid of everything isn't the answer, but I do think it poses the question that has needed to be looked at by the owners for a decade,

what the eff are we doing?

I see this as like AA, they have to hit rock bottom before they will be able to take an honest inventory of their handling of the team.

Makes you wonder how well the "win now" concept was thought through. In hindsight it is not even a plan but turned into an excuse to waste 1st and 2nd round draft picks that we sould have been developing. If they had done their job we could have developed players and dealt Iggy from a position of strength.

[you got PHANUEFED]

Cant sell off every one you need some vets to help out the kids in the pipe line but If the Flames draft well and pick up some kids that are NHL ready 3-4 yrs this team can say the word play offs if we dont draft well dare I say 10 years before we crack the P/O.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Five years minimum. Feaster and King should have been canned the minute that ROR fiasco came to light, if not sooner.
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Conspiracy theory time...

I think it's possible that Feaster is already heading out the door. Feaster said that he isn't the guy to rebuild a team, plus some of his decisions have been bad and I doubt the owners have confidence in him.

I think maybe they asked him to tear it down on his way out so that the incoming GM (likely Burke) can start putting it together without having to worry about fan backlash.

It wouldn't be the first time a team did this (or hired an interim GM to do it).

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by you got PHANUEFED

Cant sell off every one you need some vets to help out the kids in the pipe line but If the Flames draft well and pick up some kids that are NHL ready 3-4 yrs this team can say the word play offs if we dont draft well dare I say 10 years before we crack the P/O.

I think right now you sell everything and anything over 26, there will be plenty of veterans you can bring in when you need them, which wont be for 2 to 3 years.

What you want is cap space and draft picks as there will be more than a few waived or bought out players by next year.

[DazzlinDino]

Personally I think they should hold on to Boumeester until the right deal comes along rather than trading him for a quick bag of pucks. Gutting the team for effect will probably set us back a few years with nothing to show.

[calgARI]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Conspiracy theory time...

I think it's possible that Feaster is already heading out the door. Feaster said that he isn't the guy to rebuild a team, plus some of his decisions have been bad and I doubt the owners have confidence in him.

I think maybe they asked him to tear it down on his way out so that the incoming GM (likely Burke) can start putting it together without having to worry about fan backlash.

It wouldn't be the first time a team did this (or hired an interim GM to do it).

I wish that were the case. Seems crazy for a guy to ship out all these guys for picks and prospects when he isn't the guy who is going to be in charge for the foreseeable future.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

3 years to make the playoffs and 5 years to be a contender (if we build right) starting from next season.

And I agree with CalgARI that Feaster is not the one to do it. I also don't think Feaster wants to.

Yeah, Feaster did say if they were going to rebuild he's not the one to do it. I'm patiently waiting for his resignation...

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Personally I think they should hold on to Boumeester until the right deal comes along rather than trading him for a quick bag of pucks. Gutting the team for effect will probably set us back a few years with nothing to show.

I'd agree with you if JBo wasn't having his best season in all his years in Calgary, if he reverts to last years form next year you won't get near as much for him.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Conspiracy theory time...

I think it's possible that Feaster is already heading out the door. Feaster said that he isn't the guy to rebuild a team, plus some of his decisions have been bad and I doubt the owners have confidence in him.

I think maybe they asked him to tear it down on his way out so that the incoming GM (likely Burke) can start putting it together without having to worry about fan backlash.

It wouldn't be the first time a team did this (or hired an interim GM to do it).

If we assume this to be the case (which I'm not saying it is, merely playing devil's advocate) then the people above Feaster deserve to be fired too. They should be more concerned about getting value from these players and acting in the best interests of the franchise rather than worrying about the optics of hiring someone new to tear it all down.

If their intention was to put a figurehead like Feaster in place just to get ripped off in bad trades so his replacement can come in smelling like roses and sunshine, then the Flames are in more trouble than I thought.

(although again, I don't believe this to be true - I think it's a simple case of having the wrong people in charge)

[Erick Estrada]

Really hard to say but I see as least the next two years with the Flames as bottom feeders. I simply don't see enough presently in the system to help with a quick turnaround. I am sure they will come away with a very good player or more from the upcoming draft and likely the one after that but it's going to take time for these players to develop. Everyone likes to talk about the Oilers but the Avalanche are also a team that has had some top 5 picks that have turned out to be very good players but the overall team just isn't there yet. Flames are now behind those organizations although there are some decent players currently on the roster and if the goaltending gets sorted out and they ever get a 1st line center they could at least be a team that competes.

[Dion]

What happens in the next few days, the upcoming draft and free agent frenzy in July will give fans some indication of exactly where this team is heading and the possible time frame before we become playoff contenders.