Do not trade Iginla thread - Page 3 - Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Ashasx · 03-23-2013, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by HELPNEEDED

I'd rather c the flames win a few, don't care where he goes

I'm not sure what that has to do with my post.

Yeah, I'd like to see the Flames in the playoffs too. But that's not happening right now. So what's wrong with finding something else to get excited about?

zamler · 03-23-2013, 11:31 PM

Way too much sentimentality and nostalgia involving Iginla. For what I'm not sure, outside of his individual accomplishments, there is not much to talk about. What is best for the Calgary Flames has to take precedence, not what is best for Iginla, and what some think should be a story book ending.

minnow · 03-23-2013, 11:37 PM

Irreplaceable. The team he goes to instantly becomes better and has more fans.

Schultzie · 03-23-2013, 11:41 PM

I think the ideal scenario would be to trade Iginla somewhere, have him win his cup, and then re-sign him in the off-season to a fair deal. Unfortunately, if the Flames do trade him, I don't see him coming back here (win or lose). Once he's gone, he's gone for a while I suspect.

zamler · 03-23-2013, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by minnow

Irreplaceable. The team he goes to instantly becomes better and has more fans.

No one is irreplaceable.

danny darko · 03-23-2013, 11:51 PM

I love Iggy for sure, but if the season continues on this way, how does management and Iginla not talk about him going elsewhere for the remainder of the season and coming back in the offseason...if this is where he truly wants to be.

Fozzie_DeBear · 03-23-2013, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Table 5

What's kind of funny is that the past wasn't even that good. It's been kind of terrible. Soul crushing heartache and let downs. We've had one good year in pretty much a quarter of a century...and even that one is painful to think of. I guess us Flames fans are easy to please.

And that wonderful run of 2004 was a bounce away from ending in the first round...sometimes I think that playoff run was the reason many people believe the Flames were/are better than we really were.

I want a new Chapter in this teams history to begin.

MisterJoji · 03-23-2013, 11:54 PM

Since it's obvious Calgary's not getting a sniff of the playoffs, Iggy being traded would give me a team to truly root for this spring, vs. cheering for whatever team is playing the Canucks. In a perfect world, Iggy goes to the Pens, Kings, or Bruins, giving us a decent return of pick/prospect, and his new team wins a cup. Giving Iggy the easy decision to not uproot his family from the only city they've ever known and re-sign to provide a veteran presence and usher in a new era. But when's the last time this team has had any such good fortune? Likely a pipe dream.

bugsy · 03-23-2013, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

And that wonderful run of 2004 was a bounce away from ending in the first round...sometimes I think that playoff run was the reason many people believe the Flames were/are better than we really were.

But we can agree that that first round, especially, was the single most phenomenal occurrence in the history of all the damn things, right?

Nasty · 03-23-2013, 11:58 PM

I share your feelings but unfortunately he has checked out and his mind is somewhere else. If he wanted to stay he would stay and play hard. the only reason im ok with it is because it seems like he is ok with it. since Perry is off the market IGGY is the biggest name on the trade block list. time to cash in and feaster lets not SCREW this one up.

bugsy · 03-24-2013, 12:03 AM

One thing seems certain to happen if he gets moved. This gonna change:

The most members online in one day was 1,599, 02-03-2010.

Jake · 03-24-2013, 12:05 AM

I think the whole team has checked out in the last week. The season is pretty much over for the Flames. The only thing left for them to play for is racking up some individual stats to get their next contract. Ya there are other things to play for, like pride, but based on the effort put forth I don't think they care.

If I believed the Flames could still win a cup with Iggy on the team I'd want to keep him. I just can't believe that anymore. They only won a playoff round in one year out of ten when Iggy was one of the best in the world... I just don't see the team doing it now.

Manhattanboy · 03-24-2013, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

I want a new Chapter in this teams history to begin.

Do you really trust the circus act that is management to write that chapter?

killer_carlson · 03-24-2013, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JayP

Then sign Jason Arnott in the off-season. Iginla's not the only professional in the league that young guys can learn from. If that's all you're keeping him around for, it's an expensive price to pay (both monetary and the loss of potential assets in return for him).

Jason arnott?

I dont know if you could have picked a player to make my point any better than Arnott.

Nasty · 03-24-2013, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Do you really trust the circus act that is management to write that chapter?

i couldnt agree with you more

Huntingwhale · 03-24-2013, 12:34 AM

It's a real tough dilemma all this Iginla/trade talk. My heart wants him to retire as a Flame. I want to be able to look at his stat sheet in the future and see everything done as a Flame. I want to tell my future kids how great it was having Iggy as the face of our team. My heart wants to be able to know that he carved out a HOF career as a Flame.

My brain tells me he needs to go. Iggy deserves a championship, and if that is his #1 priority then he has earned that right to decide if he wants to go. My mind also tells me that in order for this team to have a change of culture and direction, that the Iggy era needs to end in the hopes that the return he might fetch would help our team out in the future. It's a fact of life that trading Iggy would mean that we can acquire assets to build our team for the future.

It's an incredibly tough call to make. Keep Iggy on the team, and I fear that the team will be stuck in limbo until he retires. Trade Iggy, and I just might cry some man tears for a long long time.

I think that the absolute best possible scenario is for Iggy to be traded by the deadline, the re-sign with the team in the summer. But that's a lot to ask of someone who has dedicated his entire career to representing our city and game. Maybe winning isn't the most important aspect of Iggy's decision if he decides to stay. And I can respect that. He has built a life in this city and I know I'd be reluctant to move my family when I have established such strong roots. But I fear that with Iginla staying, managment will continue on with the ''win now'' philosophy. Iginla moving on means a change in team culture.

It's a real tough call to make, and I for one am glad that I am not the one making it. I just hope to God that management makes the right choice, whatever that may be.

minnow · 03-24-2013, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by zamler

No one is irreplaceable.

Baloney!

bugsy · 03-24-2013, 12:45 AM

Can't shake this gut feeling that this whole thing is being orchestrated at the top, to maintain the illusion of Iginla actually moving out, and yet all along all he was ever going to do was sign a new contract. All of this hush hush drama simply to appease the masses' need/desire for change, or the appearance of possible change.

To be fair though, this gut feeling is fueled by beer and a general atmosphere of conspiracy.

Captain_Obvious · 03-24-2013, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by HELPNEEDED

None of this should be about him, it's about the fans

I said pretty clearly: at current, him being traded *is* what's best for both him and the team, and thus the fans.

DeluxeMoustache · 03-24-2013, 03:03 AM

The dilemma I have is this.

Iggy didn't make Stempniak center the pick for a point blank chance that was a killer last game. Didn't make Butler cough it up behind the net vs Nashville. Didn't make Bouwmeester completely blind to Fisher cruising through the crease and waiting for the tap

The guy is the face of the franchise, best player, still draws the toughest competition, and again doesn't even have a center. He still wins board battles, plowed through guys last game. He does backcheck, and has broken up enough plays. He fights to spark the team...And no response.

Maybe he can not singlehandedly will them to wins. But he is not losing the games. He is still dangerous and contributing, not Iggy circa 2001-2009, but still the most dangerous player on the team. He is surrounded by losers.

Iginla was in the conversation about who has scored the most goals since the last lockout. And he plays for a team who gives the next highest dollars to a cream puff who has been on the ice for more goals against than any other player in the entire NHL the past 4 years.

It is hard to score the goals you need to win in this league. It is easy to have lapses that result in GA.

I don't want to see him traded because I know he is not the problem. He is still often the most dangerous guy on the ice and draws the toughest assignments. Which, even if he is producing a touch behind (short season, slow start, and he is sometimes streaky), should make it easier for the other lines. No C with a 2 way game and soft and/or stupid D are the problem.

We all know the C defensive game is way more important than the W, but you still hear comparisons to the 2 way game of Captains like Toews.

It is rare and a great story when a legend spends a career with a team. Sakic and Yzerman did it, but didn't play without supporting casts. Too bad that Calgary has made so many lousy decisions over the years that it and Iginla are being railroaded in to an unglamorous one.

The guy is not the problem on the ice, is a sure hall of famer, and has game left. But surrounded by a suboptimal lineup, and guys who can't elevate their game. And this puts him and the team in a no win situation. The fact that the rest of the situation is so dire, that it seems impossible to give him what he deserves.

I would love to see him continue here and would also love to see the team give him a good competitive supporting cast, where he can play any role appropriate. And the tough decision is not Iginla and the actual value he returns, but the symbolic throwing in of the towel. It is related to the blueprint and identity. It is ideally exchanging whatever wingers anybody will take and anybody (but Brodie and maybe Gio) on D out and getting depth with two way C's, plus D men that can simultaneously monitor the puck plus the positioning of the other team (too tall an order apparently). Nobody is giving them away and nobody is going to do the Flames favours.

Hyperbole. If Iggy is leaving and it is about him winning, and he is leaving for good, he should consider the probability of winning this year and the prospective return vs sticking with his NTC. Why deplete his destination of assets if that is where his new loyalty is to lie?

Anyways this Mats Sundin treatment of Iggy is basically the acceptance of being losers, for what it is worth. Not specifying by whom.

Given that I would love to see him traded to Pitt and knock down 30. That would be sweet.