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Old 03-13-2013, 06:05 PM   #41
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Where B is the average...

Iginla - C+ slow start, but better commitment to defense
Cammalleri - D disappointing
Tanguay - C+ very meh
Glencross - C- disappointing
Hudler - B met expectations... some good, some bad. slightly overpaid
Cervenka - B- external factors give him a pass
Stajan - A- big comeback surprise.... did not see this coming
Backlund - A- he's been great
Stempniak - B met expectations
Comeau - B- met expectations. unfortunately he doesn't have a lot of skill
Begin - C+ met expectations, but those expectations are low
Jackman - C+ ineffective
McGrattan - N/A
Jones - WTF happened?
Baertschi - C+ disappointing but I place blame elsewhere
Horak - B not sure why he's not here

Bouwmeester - B+ performed slightly above expectations based on past 3 years
Giordano - C+ i give him a pass since I thought he would get destroyed on the 1st pairing
Wideman - B playing well on the 2nd pairing, but $5M is still a lot
Brodie - A best surprise this year
Butler - C+ benched a bunch but has been better
Smith - C+ who?
Sarich - C barely plays
Babchuk - F - Not an NHL player. (FW said this perfectly)

Kiprusoff - C+, slow start then hurt.... playing under bad team defense
MacDonald - A- exceeded expectations
Irving - C+ kind of hoped for more
Taylor - B- meh

Coaching - C, performing below expectations
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Old 03-13-2013, 06:27 PM   #42
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My own marks (C is "met expectations")

Iginla - C. I'm not sure what people really expect out of him. Power forwards have the shortest lifespan and Iginla has made a reasonable transition from power forward to sniper. His hands are still there, but the legs aren't. He is starting to make a Selanne-esc transition.
Cammalleri - C-. Cammalleri's performance last year seemed to be a bit of an outlier...he put up points, but didn't seem as noticeable as his first tour. Now, outside of a few games, I can't honestly say I would even know this guy played in Calgary anymore.
Tanguay - C. I can't say the experiment of his as a centre has failed, but his defensive awareness just isn't there for a centre. He's also beginning to force passes over any shot.
Glencross - C. Same old, same old from Glencross. Can show up as a force offensively, but also can just forget to play the game, period. Reminds me a bit of Bourque these days.
Hudler - B. Talented and creative. The typical Red Wings forward. Brings a new dimension offensively. A bit streaky, but given the Flames' lack of...anything, he's a good solution, especially given the UFA price tag.
Cervenka - C+. I really set my bar low for Cervenka. I expected a guy who'd struggle even on the 3rd line. Cervena is better, but giving him such a mark isn't even saying he's that good. He's unconditioned and tired by the end of his shift, lost in his own end at times, and seems weak overall away from the puck.
Stajan - B. Good work overall and probably a career resurrection. Still a little weak on the wall, but seems to be a decent two-way guy.
Backlund - B. Another player with a resurrection. Backlund shows exactly why Sutter gambled on the injury. I suspect, like the rest of the Flames, he'll come back down to earth, but I like what I've seen from Backlund.
Stempniak - C+. Exactly what we'd heard him billed as: streaky scorer and about average NHLer. A little top up since he seems on pace to go back to normal.
Comeau - C-. I still wonder what happened to the hitting machine that he was last year (Most hits/minute as a forward, only 2nd to Jackman). Other than that, he seems the same grinding forward I remember.
Begin - C+. A walk-on addition inspires no confidence in me. He's shown to be somewhat of a useful 4th line player
Jackman - D. I wanted him to do...something. I don't even know what. He hasn't shown anything so far. Even McGrattan, a part time enforcer, jumped him.
McGrattan - C+. He does slightly more than fighting. Anything past dropping the gloves is a bonus for me.
Jones - C-. Everyone remember how some of us thought Jones could make the 3rd line? Never happened. He seems to have come back to earth. His little spat with Gelinas didn't help.
Baertschi - C. Baertschi is developing. He's small, but seems to be learning. Flashes of brilliance are all I really expected from him.
Horak - C. Size is a huge issue on Horak. Anybody got free lunches for him?

Bouwmeester - B. I really think this was the Bouwmeester we were supposed to get. It seems the green light for him to pinch under Hartley's systems is letting him put up points. Defensively, he's on and off against top line opponents.
Giordano - D. I'm not sure why, but Giordano went from less noticeable last year to visible for all the wrong reasons this year. Some claim it's an injury issue...I think it was a salary changeover.
Wideman - C+. Isn't the "liability" he was labelled, but I can see how that could happen. Occasional bonehead plays, but does a great job holding the line offensively. He can't drive a team, and his points seem directly related to how good the team around him is.
Brodie - B-. A pleasant surprise. He's improved again and has been a great sleeper pick by Sutter.
Butler - C+. For the money, not a bad player. Occasional missteps, but nowhere near as outmatched as he was last year.
Smith - C. Sheltered minutes and doesn't cost the team...that's all you really want from a 7th on your depth chart.
Sarich - C. Now the problem is that there are two players who are 7th on the Flames' depth chart. Good physical player, but brings nothing else. And I mean nothing. Regehr had more offensive ability than Sarich does now.

Kiprusoff - C-. I really did expect him to crater...but not this hard. Having gone through high school watching him, it hurts to say that I think this is the end of the road for him. Here on out, the goals are just going to get more silly and the god mode saves are going to be less common...I expected him to be giving up a lot, but I didn't expect his reflexes to be hurting this bad. Oh well...more Mackinnon for the Flames?
MacDonald - C. Consummate backup. Not enough consistency or overall skill to start, but can play the occasional game.
Irving - C. He's a positional based backup goaltender. Got a bit of a rough ride on the forums. His lateral movement needs to improve if he wants a steady NHL career though.
Taylor - C-. Really scary rebound control and didn't attend Kiprusoff's school of magic vision.

Overall: D+. The sum is worse than the parts. The D give up too many good chances, the forwards can't capitalize, and the team overall is starting to look like last year's. Just without the magic of Kiprusoff to bail them out night in, night out.
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Old 03-13-2013, 06:52 PM   #43
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Tanguay, Cammalleri , both having crap years.


Anything to do with the fact they are high end talented, small wingers who have no centers or line-mates over 200 lbs or a hint of aggression.

If that isn't enough the clear cut #1 centre has been Stajan!!!

Patrick Kane would be a C player in the Flames wimpy lineup. Kane never steps on the ice with linemates as small as Cammalleri and Tanguay do night after night.

The best team in the league (Chicago) is loaded with forwards that are bigger than the Flames big forwards (Iginla and Glencross)

The Flames have Hudler 178, Cervenka 187, Stempniak 195 as the guys to do the dirty work for the small talented Cammalleri and Tanguay........ I am surprised that there is anyone who could imagine that this Flame lineup was anything but a lottery pick line-up??!!!

Feaster should be fired today.

Hartley may have saved Baertshi's career by not having him get the crap smashed out of him playing with the smallest team in the league.

Hartley is forced to dress and give ice time to Comeau who at 195 is one of the few Flames that plays like he is not carrying eggs in his back pockets. Tom Kostopolus played an average of 12:19 for 81 games for the Flames last year. If Hartley had TK available instead of Begin I would image that he would be getting 15+ minutes every game.

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