02-26-2013, 04:58 PM
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#41
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: PEI
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kyuss275
The only thing i can think of is that Ryder did not want to re-sign and Dallas did not want picks and prospects back as the main part of the trade.
I don't think Cole is worth the money he is getting, and Montreal got lucky to get rid of that contract.
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Cole was certainly worth every penny of that contrast last year.
Nieuwendyk probably knew he wasn't re-signing Ryder and likes what Cole adds to the team, along with having previous chemistry with Whitney.
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02-26-2013, 05:04 PM
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#42
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hells Bells
Cole was certainly worth every penny of that contrast last year.
Nieuwendyk probably knew he wasn't re-signing Ryder and likes what Cole adds to the team, along with having previous chemistry with Whitney.
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With the loss of Ott and the additions of Roy, Whitney, and Jagr, I would assume that Dallas wanted some more size and physicality in their top 9.
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02-26-2013, 05:26 PM
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#43
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Back in Calgary
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Still not sure why Dallas had to add a 3rd
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02-26-2013, 05:28 PM
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#44
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Silicon Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 3thirty
Still not sure why Dallas had to add a 3rd
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Sometimes teams seem to kick in a draft pick for no reason
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02-26-2013, 05:29 PM
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#45
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Franchise Player
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If Cole plays up to his abilities, then it is a fair trade (but there is no guarantee of that happening).
And I thought the trade favoured Mtl even before I heard about the pick as well.
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02-26-2013, 05:32 PM
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#46
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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Ryder AND a third?
Weird. I would've thought it would be Cole and a 3rd conditional on Ryder re-signing.
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02-26-2013, 05:32 PM
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#47
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Ricci's Ugly
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Canada 02
better player, 3rd round pick and a salary dump?
Bergevin is a genius
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My thoughts exactly.. Ryder is 2 years younger and is having a way better season... Don't understand this move from Dallas's angle. They say that they want more size, so they trade one of their top scorers for Cole?
It'll be interesting to see the way he's accepted by Montreal's crowd.. They HATED him when he decided to sign in Boston.
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02-26-2013, 05:55 PM
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#48
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Outside of shooting Ryder brings nothing to the table, Cole is a better all around player and helped out Pacioretty/Desharnais game immensely.
Maybe Bergevin needs cap space to go after Perry if/when he becomes a UFA
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02-26-2013, 06:22 PM
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#49
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Ryder is much better then Cole dont get this move MTL won this trade as of today.
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02-26-2013, 06:55 PM
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#50
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Scoring Winger
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joe nieuwendyk seems (to be seen on this one) to be getting the losing end on a lot of deals recently... this one is a head scratcher since ryder seemed to be doing well playing with eakin, guess they need that left hand shot?
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02-26-2013, 07:12 PM
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#51
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: STH since 2002
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Nice trade for Montreal. Dallas JMO didn't get the best of this deal.
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02-26-2013, 07:36 PM
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#52
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Scoring Winger
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Wrong thread.
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02-26-2013, 08:12 PM
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#53
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Even trade IMO Ryder is playing better now but these players are similar
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02-26-2013, 08:45 PM
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#54
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Calgary - Centre West
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen
What is this, bring back your old players day? The Flames have to get in on this, it's inevitable.
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Too bad Doug Gilmour is retired.
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Typical dumb take.
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02-26-2013, 09:44 PM
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#55
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: sector 7G
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TurdFerguson
Little suprised to see mtl make a move when things are rolling so well for them.
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Cole was doing nothing and his post lockout comments sealed the deal. He's been playing like he retired all season.
Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
Apparently Whitney and Recchi were advocating Cole to Dallas managment.
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Probably because he was closer to their ages.
Bergevin has impressed me a few times now.
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02-27-2013, 12:09 AM
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#56
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Vancouver, BC
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I can't believe anyone watching hockey would say Ryder is a better player than Cole... Cole adds so much more than Ryder, who's really a shooter and nothing more. Cole may be having a brutal season, I'm not arguing that point...but c'mon, he's a superior player by good margin.
Considering their respective salaries, I agree there didn't need to be a pick involved here though... At least not that high of a pick.
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02-27-2013, 12:23 AM
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#57
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Lifetime Suspension
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Nieuwendyk:
Neal + Niskanen to Pitt for Goligoski
Ryder + 3rd for Cole
I just dont understand his reasoning for either trade TBH. At the time I guess Neal was comparable to Bourque, but adding Niskanen seems bizarre.
And now this deal... Cole is only getting older, and I believe his cap hit is 4 mill for the next 2 seasons. Why do this?
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02-27-2013, 12:45 AM
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#58
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Around the world
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This trade looks puzzling at first but makes more sense if you look at the details. Ryder is a pending UFA and Dallas probably knows they can't re-sign him, so they trade him now for a temporarily slumping star in Cole who has 2 years left at a reasonable cap hit.
Good resource management by Nieuwendyk since he gets Cole who is probably good for 25 goals per season in exchange for Ryder who will most likely walk away for nothing if he's not dealt.
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02-27-2013, 01:15 AM
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#59
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Franchise Player
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I think the Habs win this deal is its player for play and everything is equal.
But the Habs also save $8 million on Cole's contract and get a pick? Hahaha stupid Nieuwendyk.
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02-27-2013, 08:40 AM
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#60
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#1 Goaltender
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If this trade happened in NHL 13 I would say "stupid CPU making another unrealistic trade".
Both players had career highs last year...
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