Annual Trade Iggy thread

[nik-]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I hope either Iginla gets traded at the deadline for a really good return, or preferably signs a contract extension prior to the deadline with a full NMC (along with a good hometown discount) and announces that he will be retiring a Flame.

The last thing we need is a Sundin fiasco with 0 return and lose him for nothing via free agency.

I honestly think it's coming. This management group doesn't have the balls to trade Iginla, and he's too nice to ask for it. I see him walking in the summer to try and sign with a winner, and who can blame him.

If we lose him for nothing it won't be Iginla's fault, it will rest solely on the shoulders of the team. Sundin refused to waive his NTC. Iginla has said on a couple occasions that if he was asked, he'd waive. They're not the same situation.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Locke

I'm at the point where this team needs a serious culture change and thats not something that the coaching staff can do on their own.

Watching last night, this team has really gotten used to losing. They've accepted it and they know that their goal is 8th place.

Its time for the people that are okay with that to head for the exits and get some new faces that want to win.

If Iggy is one of them then so be it. I'm not for or against trading Iggy, I'm for changing this team's attitude. I'd rather the Flames not trade Iggy becuase hey, who doesnt love Iggy? Not to mention the fact that the return he'd get at this stage as an aging rental veteran player may not be worth it.

I don't think its a matter of culture change at all, its a matter of talent. Fact is the Flames don't have any skilled star players in their prime. If you don't have that, you won't be an elite team. I don't believe guys like Iginla or Kipper are okay with losing. They just have no choice. Its a young man's league.

The biggest failure of this organization over Iginla's career has been the ability to cultivate new stars that could be the go to guys as Iggy got older. Like Forsberg was to Sakic or Federov was to Yzerman. Iggy never had that.

I honestly think this is Iggy's last season with the Flames. Unless this team really catches fire and makes some kind of noise in the playoffs I don't even see him wanting to re-sign here.

[jg13]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Lets just look at the last 2 times the Flames have traded a core player.

Phaneuf, did you like who Sutter got in return? Do you think he strengthened or weakened the team?


Regehr, did you like who Feaster got in return?
Do you think Butler and Byron have improved the Flames?

Both were garbage returns for the Flames.

I like the sports romance of Iggy remaining a Flame for life, but what bothers me is does he still honestly think the Flames should pay him $7m a year and will that dirtbag Meehan demand it from the Flames.

I'm more worried that the Flames will trade Iginla for a garbage return.
They don't seem to negotiate their player assets to well. They have failed at it.
They should not trade Iginla unless they recieve a 1st round pick, a 2nd line Center and a prospect that they covet.

If a team is not willing to play ball, then ef them you don't just give him away for HC eyesores that the GM wants to cast off.

Just like TOR and BUF both did.

both weren't traded at the deadline when you get the highest return..

i'd be open to an iggy trade at the deadline if we're in 10th or lower.

[skcli]

I don't know why this type of thread keep coming up. Iggy is not a hot commodity anymore and to trade him away knowing that you do not get a good return is a waste of resources. Let him stay here and do not build a team around him anymore. Take him off the first line and let him play. He cannot carry this team anymore and it is absolutely to build your team with another core (whom?). Iginla is Iginla, he is not that dominant player that he once was.

Let it go people

[nik-]

Originally Posted by skcli

I don't know why this type of thread keep coming up. Iggy is not a hot commodity anymore and to trade him away knowing that you do not get a good return is a waste of resources. Let him stay here and do not build a team around him anymore. Take him off the first line and let him play. He cannot carry this team anymore and it is absolutely to build your team with another core (whom?). Iginla is Iginla, he is not that dominant player that he once was.

Let it go people

The idea is that it's a good possibility that he doesn't sign here again after this year. You maximize your assets when you're a team, especially when you're in as much trouble prospect wise as we are.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Then why didn't a team step up at the draft when it was widely known he was available? The only teams that had interest was the Sabres and Capitals. At the end of the day this isn't the Phaneuf trade where more than half the league didn't even know he was available. This was at the draft which after the trade deadline is the biggest trade weekend of the season with Feaster going from table to table looking for a deal and there just wasn't interest for Regehr @ $8 million owing. I simply don't understand how fans can say he had more value when no teams were interested in giving up said value.

I understand that there were more than a couple inquiries....but RR vetoed all deals at that time. He simply wasnt ready to move. Only after talking to the Sabre braintrust did he decide he would go there.

[kyuss275]

The flames ownership and management have said they want Iggy to reitre a flame. No matter how bad this year goes i don't see them changing their stance.

If Iggy leaves it's going to be up to Iggy to make that choice.

It appears that he has left the door quite open to leaving. He has not re-signed, even though ownership wants him to.

I do hope Iginla makes his choice before the trade deadline. Nothing worse than for the trade deadline to go by, the flames come up short of the playoffs, and Iggy decides to leave. And yes i think there is a very big possiblity of that happening.

Also please no posts about Iggy would rather stay in Calgary than persue the cup. He has already stated that winning is more important than staying.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

I wouldn't blame Iggy asking for a trade this time around, would make sense. But if he doesn't start playing better and putting up some real points here and then asks for a trade, I'm gonna be pissed. Will not be good if he finally decides its time to move on and continues to lower his value the way he has done so far this year. I'm sure he'll find his game as per usual but in a shortened season this could be a problem.

[WessThompson]

Couldn't agree more. If we don't move him this turns into the leafs with Sundin. People didn't want to move nieuwendyk back in the day and look what happened there. We traded an aging asset for a player that would go on to be our star player for over a decade

Originally Posted by pepper24

If you get a decent return and he waives his trade clause the Flames should really consider this. The Flames are in retool mode and years away from contending. Our 2 best players are 35+ years (Iginla and Kipper). They have a few more good seasons but what happens after that if you don't have talent in the pipeline to replace?

Iginla can always return later in his career (hopefully with a Stanley Cup ring) and close out a season with the Flames. I'd hate to lose Iginla but the team comes first.

[FlamesAddiction]

Unless the return is really good (like a 1st round pick, top 6 forward AND a top prospect), I would be happy to keep Iginla until he retires even if it means it's the end of the line for that asset. Getting a run-of-the-mill top 6 forward that could leave as a free agent in a few years, or is easily obtainable through free agency, just isn't worth giving up a player that has meant this much to the team.

The only exception would be if Iginla indicates that he won't re-sign and will move anyway.

[CliffFletcher]

People like to compare Iginla with Yzerman and Sakic, and want him to retire a Flames, but that's a sentimental way to look at the issue. At this point in its history, the Flames need to demonstrate shrewd, hard-headed asset management, not sentimentality.

A much better comparable for Iginla at this state in his career is the a 35-year-old Brendan Shanahan. How many goals did Shanahan have left in his from age 35 to 38 (when he retired)? His last four seasons saw goal totals of 40, 29, 23, 6. When the wheels fall off for goal-scorers, they fall off fast. And yes, Iginla is fit. But fit players don't shoot the puck any quicker or hit one-timers with more velocity.

So any team trading for the 36-year-old Iginla will be betting maybe a couple 25 goal seasons out of him. Any trade will of necessity be a short-term proposition for the team acquiring Iginla, and a long-term proposition for the Flames.

Long-term, the Flames should be happy with any deal where we get a player contributing 20-25 goals in 3-5 seasons, because that's almost certainly more than Iginla would be potting in that time-frame if he stayed. And since Iginla's game is one-dimensional at this point in his career, if we get a better two-way player in a deal, he wouldn't even have to score 25 goals for it to be a win for Calgary.

That's why so many trade proposals involving Iginla are absurd. The Flames aren't going to get a player who is close to on-par with Iginla now and a top prospect or pick. Why would another team do that? They're not trading for the Iginla of 2008, and they don't care about the stature Iginla has in Calgary; they are going to appraise him solely by his likely goal-scoring output at ages 35-37.

I hope our ownership has the discipline and foresight not to be handicapped by sentiment when it comes to dealing Iginla. I hope they ignore the inflated expectations of fans, and make a courageous deal with the long-term health of the roster in mind. But I doubt they will. Discipline and long-term aren't in the vocabulary of Flames brass.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

The flames ownership and management have said they want Iggy to reitre a flame. No matter how bad this year goes i don't see them changing their stance.

Someone should point out to ownership that the NHL doesn't award a 10pt bonus in the standings and a play-off bye for retiring a number.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Someone should point out to ownership that the NHL doesn't award a 10pt bonus in the standings and a play-off bye for retiring a number.

I'm sure they are aware.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

People like to compare Iginla with Yzerman and Sakic, and want him to retire a Flames, but that's a sentimental way to look at the issue. At this point in its history, the Flames need to demonstrate shrewd, hard-headed asset management, not sentimentality.

A much better comparable for Iginla at this state in his career is the a 35-year-old Brendan Shanahan. How many goals did Shanahan have left in his from age 35 to 38 (when he retired)? His last four seasons saw goal totals of 40, 29, 23, 6. When the wheels fall off for goal-scorers, they fall off fast. And yes, Iginla is fit. But fit players don't shoot the puck any quicker or hit one-timers with more velocity.

So any team trading for the 36-year-old Iginla will be betting maybe a couple 25 goal seasons out of him. Any trade will of necessity be a short-term proposition for the team acquiring Iginla, and a long-term proposition for the Flames.

Long-term, the Flames should be happy with any deal where we get a player contributing 20-25 goals in 3-5 seasons, because that's almost certainly more than Iginla would be potting in that time-frame if he stayed. And since Iginla's game is one-dimensional at this point in his career, if we get a better two-way player in a deal, he wouldn't even have to score 25 goals for it to be a win for Calgary.

That's why so many trade proposals involving Iginla are absurd. The Flames aren't going to get a player who is close to on-par with Iginla now and a top prospect or pick. Why would another team do that? They're not trading for the Iginla of 2008, and they don't care about the stature Iginla has in Calgary; they are going to appraise him solely by his likely goal-scoring output at ages 35-37.

I hope our ownership has the discipline and foresight not to be handicapped by sentiment when it comes to dealing Iginla. I hope they ignore the inflated expectations of fans, and make a courageous deal with the long-term health of the roster in mind. But I doubt they will. Discipline and long-term aren't in the vocabulary of Flames brass.

In the salary cap/27 year old UFA era, I just don't see it as imperative to make sure you can get "anything" for an aging asset.

Iginla's next contract should be for less money and should allow us to play the free agency and trade market for his replacement. It would be the best of both worlds and I think the risk would be worth it in my opinion.

[pepper24]

I never understood why when they resigned Tanguay a few summers back they didn't match his terms with Iginla's existing contract. Great value at $3.5M but contract out to end of 2015/2016. That's where I get confused on the Flames future game plan.

[GreenLantern]

What if the Flames are still out of the playoff picture, they trade Iggy as a rental, and he comes back next year?

[Poe969]

If Iggy comes back next year than I think this team will be in the same spot they're in now. He is a great player and he'll help a team, but he'll help a team that's close to winning. If this team brings him back and trys to "win now" again, they'll just be in the same spot.

It sucks, but he has to go. It'll not only be better for the organization to try and build a solid team instead of a make shift team around 1 or 2 stars. It's also going to be better for him to move on to a contender and try and actually win.

If Iggy does want to come back next year for 2-3 million to stay, than it's a good idea but in all honesty, I hope he's on another team.

[boggledepot]

Originally Posted by skcli

I don't know why this type of thread keep coming up. Iggy is not a hot commodity anymore and to trade him away knowing that you do not get a good return is a waste of resources. Let him stay here and do not build a team around him anymore. Take him off the first line and let him play. He cannot carry this team anymore and it is absolutely to build your team with another core (whom?). Iginla is Iginla, he is not that dominant player that he once was.

Let it go people

I wondered this for a while too. The conclusion I came to is the media has pounded it into our heads. But I don't like it, because trade speculation creates an inaccurate evaluation of a player's worth, and unrealistic expectations among the fan base. I, like you, am skeptical any return the Flames receive for Iginla will be as beneficial as resigning him. I believe the media is aware of this, but if they said this the story is done and there is nothing to talk about. But instead the media keeps insinuating this notion of a top six forward (Matt Stajan was classified as a top six forward), a prospect (Greg Nemisz is a prospect), and a pick (which comes with its own baggage, as most picks never materialize into NHL caliber players). So we can move Iginla and cheer as he has a few more good seasons, and tries to win a Stanley cup, while at the same time know we traded a franchise player away for something that looked potentially good at the time.

[$ven27]

A part of me does want him to go, another part doesn't. However if he's moved, and it's a sub par return I won't be terribly upset because at least by trading Iginla it would be a strong sign that the organization is moving on from this 'win now' mode.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by pepper24

I never understood why when they resigned Tanguay a few summers back they didn't match his terms with Iginla's existing contract. Great value at $3.5M but contract out to end of 2015/2016. That's where I get confused on the Flames future game plan.

The most obvious answer is usually the correct one.