Jason Kenney wants to take away Cdn citizenship from terrorists

[octothorp]

I do see a bit of a problem with this bill. As I understand it, he's talking about revoking citizenship for all dual-citizen Canadians who are convicted of terrorism, either by Canada or another country.
So let's have a hypothetical situation where a Canadian/Iranian citizen is in Iran, and while they're there, they get hauled into prison and slapped with some terrorism charges. They maintain their innocence, but are convicted, regardless. So does the Canadian government automatically strip this individual of their citizenship? Do they attempt to conduct their own investigation and determine whether the burden of proof for Canadian law was met, or whether the alleged actions even fit with the Canadian definition of terrorism? Does it only hold true if the country in question is a Canadian ally?

I don't know, lots of questions that would need to be worked out about how exactly this law would function.

[seattleflamer]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Frankly, I'm of the opinion that if you are a citizen of another country and you apply to become a Canadian citizen, you should have to renounce your citizenship of your former country.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/02...-in-terrorism/

If you follow through on your bad idea, you should be ok that an American, Wayne Gretzky, is the greatest hockey player of all time then. Or does that just apply when it's convenient to your world view?

[Byrns]

Dump the dual citizenship, and start with the 50 000 living in Lebanon.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

You're acting as if only people with current Canadian citizenship are allowed into Canada. Thousands of non-citizens come to Canada every year.

I never said you couldn't come back.

You're acting as if everyone who works abroad for a period of time gets the citizenship of that country. Look at what Transplant99 said above; he lived in the US for 10 years but never became a citizen. Neil Young has lived in the US for nearly 50 years and he's still only a citizen of Canada.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Thor

So my family, should have renounced their Icelandic citizenship?

If you don't want to renounce your Icelandic citizenship, just don't apply for Canadian citizenship.... remain a landed immigrant.

Originally Posted by Slava

No more dual citizens? I agree that the known terrorists should have their citizenship revoked and can't see a downside to that. I don't understand the dislike of dual citizens though.

How can you be loyal to two different countries, especially in times of conflict? People chose to move here, away from their home country making Canada their NEW home. Nobody forced them to come here and apply for citizenship. People of dual citizenship want their cake and they want to eat it too. Its time to chose where your loyalties lie.

Originally Posted by Phaneufenstein

There's nothing wrong with dual citizenship

see above

Originally Posted by Daradon

Nothing wrong with dual citizenship at all. But this terror rule seems like a no brainer to me.

see above

Originally Posted by Nyah

Why? What difference does it make to you that people immigrating here still have the option to move back to their homeland if they'd like? Pinning it on terrorists and saying it would be worth it just to curb the possibility that they could have gains using Canadian citizenship sounds pretty damn unfair to everyone else, who are the VAST majority.

Why should you have more rights and options that a Canadian who doesn't hold dual citizenship? ie. one who was born here. Chose which country you want to be loyal to, I say.

Originally Posted by Wormius

Isn't this a bit contradictory? If the person only has one citizenship, where do you send these citizenship-less people after you strip them of their Canadian citizenship?

If Kenney dislikes immigrants so much, why not just make citizenship only available to natural born Canadians?

This only applies to those who hold dual citizenship.

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

You'd like China. They make anyone leaving the country renounce their citizenship, unless they are a government official, a diplomat, or rich.

Does the USA allow dual citizenship of its immigrants?

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Does the USA allow dual citizenship of its immigrants?

Yes.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by octothorp

I do see a bit of a problem with this bill. As I understand it, he's talking about revoking citizenship for all dual-citizen Canadians who are convicted of terrorism, either by Canada or another country.
So let's have a hypothetical situation where a Canadian/Iranian citizen is in Iran, and while they're there, they get hauled into prison and slapped with some terrorism charges. They maintain their innocence, but are convicted, regardless. So does the Canadian government automatically strip this individual of their citizenship? Do they attempt to conduct their own investigation and determine whether the burden of proof for Canadian law was met, or whether the alleged actions even fit with the Canadian definition of terrorism? Does it only hold true if the country in question is a Canadian ally?

I don't know, lots of questions that would need to be worked out about how exactly this law would function.

I think we're in the early stages and we don't know the logistics of it, it is based on conviction not on suspicion though that's pretty clear. I'm sure that its not an auto strip thing and I'm sure there would be questions asked.

If someone in Iran is convicted of an offense then I doubt that their citizenship is revoked because Canada basically doesn't recognize the Iranian Justice System as civilized. Same with countries like Pakistan.

I do have a problem with the example of the Lebanese evacuation where people are using the Canadian Passport for convenience, and haven't been here or paid taxes in years.

I don't know how to solve that problem, but there has to be a change, possibly to one where a person has to come home for a minimum of 30 days to get a renewed passport for example. Or they could agree to pay a small income tax to Canada when they're living abroad.

I don't know

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Byrns

Dump the dual citizenship, and start with the 50 000 living in Lebanon.

Don't forget all those living in Hong Kong who took out Canadian citizenship as "insurance" but have barely lived a day here.

[JazzyFlame]

Originally Posted by Rerun

If you don't want to renounce your Icelandic citizenship, just don't apply for Canadian citizenship.... remain a landed immigrant.


How can you be loyal to two different countries, especially in times of conflict? People chose to move here, away from their home country making Canada their NEW home. Nobody forced them to come here and apply for citizenship. People of dual citizenship want their cake and they want to eat it too. Its time to chose where your loyalties lie.


see above

see above


Why should you have more rights and options that a Canadian who doesn't hold dual citizenship? ie. one who was born here. Chose which country you want to be loyal to, I say.

This only applies to those who hold dual citizenship.


Does the USA allow dual citizenship of its immigrants?

Movies =/ real life

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by opendoor

Yes.

They must have changed it then. I have in-laws who were born in the USA, but of Canadian parents, but I believe they had to chose when they turned 18... or something like that.

[Byrns]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Don't forget all those living in Hong Kong who took out Canadian citizenship as "insurance" but have barely lived a day here.

They would be 2nd on my list, and I know some of them personally.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by opendoor

You're acting as if everyone who works abroad for a period of time gets the citizenship of that country. Look at what Transplant99 said above; he lived in the US for 10 years but never became a citizen. Neil Young has lived in the US for nearly 50 years and he's still only a citizen of Canada.

This thread was under the context of dual citizens. I wouldn't advocate making someone stateless.

[Bmuzyka]

Forget just terrorists, I think any landed immigrant, who is convicted of multiple crimes (3 or more, like 3 strikes and your out), or any major crime (Murder, Rape, Narcotics) should be deported, and the same should go for Immigrated Canadian Citizens. They should be stripped of their citizenship. When they become citizens, they take an oath to be upstanding citizens of Canada, and if they are living a life of crime, in my opinion, they have nullified that oath.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Rerun

If you don't want to renounce your Icelandic citizenship, just don't apply for Canadian citizenship.... remain a landed immigrant.

My sister-in-law from Japan went that route. Canada would recognize her dual citizenship, but Japan won't. She decided to keep her Japanese citizenship and stay as a landed immigrant... and there's nothing wrong with that.

[Boblobla]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

You're acting as if only people with current Canadian citizenship are allowed into Canada. Thousands of non-citizens come to Canada every year.

I never said you couldn't come back.

You are saying they can't come back. Try leaving the country you are living or entering Canada without a valid passport. "suspending" someones citizenship would effectively make their passport invalid.

Revoking citizenship based on time in country is quite possible one of the single most backwards things I have ever heard.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Rerun

They must have changed it then. I have in-laws who were born in the USA, but of Canadian parents, but I believe they had to chose when they turned 18... or something like that.

The US has allowed dual citizenship since the '50s or '60s and anyone born in the US keeps their American citizenship unless they officially renounce it. 60+ years ago I believe there used to be a law requiring children born abroad to American parents to make an election of US citizenship and to return to the US before becoming adults, but that wouldn't apply to a natural born citizen.

Canada used to have laws requiring the renunciation of foreign citizenship upon becoming a Canadian citizen depending on when it was (I believe they relaxed the laws in the '70s), so maybe that's what you're thinking of.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Bmuzyka

Forget just terrorists, I think any landed immigrant, who is convicted of multiple crimes (3 or more, like 3 strikes and your out), or any major crime (Murder, Rape, Narcotics) should be deported, and the same should go for Immigrated Canadian Citizens. They should be stripped of their citizenship. When they become citizens, they take an oath to be upstanding citizens of Canada, and if they are living a life of crime, in my opinion, they have nullified that oath.

Get charged with Posession?

Say bye to your family.

[Bmuzyka]

Originally Posted by polak

Get charged with Posession?

Say bye to your family.

Possession? No, but trafficking? sure! Running a Grow Op? Of course! Making a Deal with Pablo Escobar to import from another country? definitely!

[kirant]

As long as fair judicial process is undertaken before the suspect is convicted of terrorism, I'm fine with this idea. I can understand the logic behind yanking citizenship from dual-citizenship terrorists.

There's a bit of grey area as to what defines terrorism though. What if some corrupt nation labels someone a terrorist? Who's list are we running?

[Bmuzyka]

Originally Posted by opendoor

The US has allowed dual citizenship since the '50s or '60s and anyone born in the US keeps their American citizenship unless they officially renounce it. 60+ years ago I believe there used to be a law requiring children born abroad to American parents to make an election of US citizenship and to return to the US before becoming adults, but that wouldn't apply to a natural born citizen.

Canada used to have laws requiring the renunciation of foreign citizenship upon becoming a Canadian citizen depending on when it was (I believe they relaxed the laws in the '70s), so maybe that's what you're thinking of.

I know quite a few people, my Aunt included who were born in the US, because where we lived in Manitoba, the hospital across the border was closer than any Canadian hospital, so people would regularly cross the Border to have babies. Those babies are automatically dual citizens. In fact one of my best friends from High School joined the US Military out of High School, and plans on being a lifer!