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The shooter was a convicted felon who was in prison who served 18 yrs for beating his 92 year old grandmother to death. Since he was a convicted felon he is not legally allowed to buy or own firearms. The gun argument here would be It's kind of hard to say that gun control laws would stop stuff like this. The law states he cant buy or own guns but he obtains them anyway.
The real question here is how does he get only 18 yrs for cleaving his 92 yr old grandmother in the skull.
I don't know why he wouldn't get life or even the dealth penalty.
The shooter was a convicted felon who was in prison who served 18 yrs for beating his 92 year old grandmother to death. Since he was a convicted felon he is not legally allowed to buy or own firearms. The gun argument here would be It's kind of hard to say that gun control laws would stop stuff like this. The law states he cant buy or own guns but he obtains them anyway.
The real question here is how does he get only 18 yrs for cleaving his 92 yr old grandmother in the skull.
I don't know why he wouldn't get life or even the dealth penalty.
The less guns there are physically available, the more difficult it is for him to get one. So maybe this crime isn't stopped, since he's a convicted felon that has 18 years worth of jail type friends to find a gun from, but if it was an 18 year old kid with a hate on for firemen, maybe it would have been avoided.
It's not logical to take incidents like this and say "see, gun control wouldn't have stopped this crime". It's irrelevant. The point is that in your country, it is so easy and common to get guns, that they're just everywhere, so it's not hard for anyone with a hate on, or a mental illness, to get their hands on one.
Until you guys, as a society, stop buying more guns as a solution to gun violence, you're going to continue to have these incidences at a way higher rate than the rest of the first world. Your culture needs to change. You need to stop carrying guns everywhere, and stop leaving them lying around your houses. You've said that yours are locked away and only used for sport, which is the way it should be. Hopefully your neighbours and friends begin to do the same. Maybe Lanza's mom should have had her guns in a safe with a lock, and the key somewhere her son had no access to.
Or maybe she didn't need to own those guns to begin with. But that's just the Canadian in me saying that.
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The less guns there are physically available, the more difficult it is for him to get one. So maybe this crime isn't stopped, since he's a convicted felon that has 18 years worth of jail type friends to find a gun from, but if it was an 18 year old kid with a hate on for firemen, maybe it would have been avoided.
It's not logical to take incidents like this and say "see, gun control wouldn't have stopped this crime". It's irrelevant. The point is that in your country, it is so easy and common to get guns, that they're just everywhere, so it's not hard for anyone with a hate on, or a mental illness, to get their hands on one.
Until you guys, as a society, stop buying more guns as a solution to gun violence, you're going to continue to have these incidences at a way higher rate than the rest of the first world. Your culture needs to change. You need to stop carrying guns everywhere, and stop leaving them lying around your houses. You've said that yours are locked away and only used for sport, which is the way it should be. Hopefully your neighbours and friends begin to do the same. Maybe Lanza's mom should have had her guns in a safe with a lock, and the key somewhere her son had no access to.
Or maybe she didn't need to own those guns to begin with. But that's just the Canadian in me saying that.
I might agree, but I would argue that without changing the culture the biggest problem with a blanket gun control (which I've stated that I'm in favor of) would actually drive the gun market underground. Gun control wouldn't stop the shipments of AK-47's and Uzi knockoffs from the Philippines.
You would expand the illegal gun market and not contract it with gun control.
Unless the U.S. works to break the gun culture, improve border security and create harsh sentences for gun related violent crime your not going to accomplish what you want to.
Right now one of the biggest problems are the gun shows and buying unregistered guns there. Imagine a lot more of these gun markets happening in a black market environment.
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what's any different from buying a gun at a gun show and buying one from a private citizen?
Besides if you buy a gun at a gun show from a dealer you have to follow the same rules and have the NICS background check
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what's any different from buying a gun at a gun show and buying one from a private citizen?
Besides if you buy a gun at a gun show from a dealer you have to follow the same rules and have the NICS background check
Yeah maybe some people aren't informed about that rule. I remember when I was younger there wasn't any kind of background check etc at Gun Shows or Pawnshops. Now both of those have to go through the same background checks that gun stores etc have to go through.
I might agree, but I would argue that without changing the culture the biggest problem with a blanket gun control (which I've stated that I'm in favor of) would actually drive the gun market underground. Gun control wouldn't stop the shipments of AK-47's and Uzi knockoffs from the Philippines.
You would expand the illegal gun market and not contract it with gun control.
Unless the U.S. works to break the gun culture, improve border security and create harsh sentences for gun related violent crime your not going to accomplish what you want to.
Right now one of the biggest problems are the gun shows and buying unregistered guns there. Imagine a lot more of these gun markets happening in a black market environment.
You're right, but you have to start somewhere. The most logical place to start is the laws. The culture will adapt slowly after they are in place.(Yes it will take other things as well) It'll take a while, a long while, but that's how democracies work. You have to put the rules in place first. Slowly new generations will know nothing but the new rules and following them won't be hard. The culture of guns will be alien to them.
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The irony in a backwards red neck country invading other backward countries because they think they're messed up countries.
America is a disgrace to this planet. No universal healthcare and gun laws that are embarrassing.
Pretty simplistic post. I hate having to defend the US of A, and their gun culture IS a freakin mess, (as we've been saying for years) but this is a wide brush you are using and not entirely truthful either. I don't think they are quite a disgrace.
Plus, Obamacare did pass. So they are going down the universal health care path. The first part of your statement isn't even right.
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I might agree, but I would argue that without changing the culture the biggest problem with a blanket gun control (which I've stated that I'm in favor of) would actually drive the gun market underground. Gun control wouldn't stop the shipments of AK-47's and Uzi knockoffs from the Philippines.
You would expand the illegal gun market and not contract it with gun control.
Unless the U.S. works to break the gun culture, improve border security and create harsh sentences for gun related violent crime your not going to accomplish what you want to.
Right now one of the biggest problems are the gun shows and buying unregistered guns there. Imagine a lot more of these gun markets happening in a black market environment.
True but it would also drive the price sky high and they still have to risk getting them through customs, security, etc. IMO it's one more step to take that might give that person a chance to cool down.
Are you going to stop the criminal element from getting guns?
Of course not but as many are saying the more hurdles and roadblocks you put in place the more that gun toting criminal element decreases and the more chances/time you give law enforcement to keep them out of peoples hands who really don't be needing such weapons.
