First nations will blockade roads as part of 'Idle No More' protest

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Tyler

Somehow I don't think they're taking any time off work to conduct this protest.

Originally Posted by Lil Pedro

They can't "idle no more" because none of there cars have gas

Originally Posted by Raekwon

But seriously it was nice of all their bosses to give them the day off to protest.

Originally Posted by opendoor

People tend to skew their definition of racism to suit their own views.

Yep, because these types of things would be posted about white people doing the same thing. There was also a fat joke thrown in for good measure that I didn't include. As I said though, pretty predictable responses.

[Tinordi]

Tune in next for another hilarious episode of When Ignorant Rednecks Talk about First Nations People.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Yep, because these types of things would be posted about white people doing the same thing. There was also a fat joke thrown in for good measure that I didn't include. As I said though, pretty predictable responses.

While some of the responses haven't been presented in the most appropriate manner, the fact remains that one of the reserves protesting in Calgary today (Sik Sika) has close to a 60% unemployment rate on reserve.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

While some of the responses haven't been presented in the most appropriate manner, the fact remains that one of the reserves protesting in Calgary today (Sik Sika) has close to a 60% unemployment rate on reserve.

Too bad that has absolutely nothing to do with the thread, other than to denigrate the opposition.

EDIT: And I'm sure the racist attidues against First Nations people has nothing to do with the unemployment rate.

[GP_Matt]

Bill C-45 removes all environmental protection from waterways and Lagimodier adds this is setting the stage for a westbound pipeline.
"They've gone from strict controls and environmental guidelines around developing near water that protected tens of thousands of bodies of water," he said.
"With unprotected waterways it makes it easier for industry to develop in and around water or put a pipeline under a river."

I spoke with someone at Alberta Environment about this and they said this was just the Federal government offloading work onto the provinces. Previously there were 400 or so water bodies that were more important than others so both the federal and provincial governments approved them. Now for the most part it is just the provincial government.
Every water body on public land is protected in Alberta including the 3" wide ephemeral draws and small muskeg areas. Any application to cross or disturb them has strict requirements from the provinces with mitigation plans that must be in place to reduce damages. We get fish biologists out to check on the crossing applications if there is even a chance that the water can flow into a fish bearing water body within a few kilometers.

[calumniate]

I can't believe what's coming out of the mouths of some of you people. You should be ashamed. In the era where racism and stereotyping is considered a major faux pas, it still seems 'cool' to tromp over and generalize the First Nations.

If the title of the story had read 'Omnibus bill C-45 law changing amendments to pension plans, the environment and judicial systems' I'm sure the majority of you would have looked into this bill and done some research. But it was too easy to make the easy joke. Happy holidays, asshats.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Tune in next for another hilarious episode of When Ignorant Rednecks Talk about First Nations People.

So instead of just a drive-by, how about providing some of your educated opinion on the first nations people?

I say this mainly because I've noticed that very few people actually show enough interest in the first nations to be knowledgable in the subject matter, and instead just try to ignore it.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Yep, because these types of things would be posted about white people doing the same thing. There was also a fat joke thrown in for good measure that I didn't include. As I said though, pretty predictable responses.

I think you missed the point and context of what you quoted of my post. Or perhaps I wasn't clear enough.

My point was that he may not see that opinion as having tinges of racism because almost no one is going to admit to themselves that their opinion is racist. But that doesn't mean it isn't.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by opendoor

I think you missed the point and context of what you quoted of my post. Or perhaps I wasn't clear enough.

My point was that he may not see that opinion as having tinges of racism because almost no one is going to admit to themselves that their opinion is racist. But that doesn't mean it isn't.

No, I got what you meant. I was mostly quoting you in context to show him what I found to be particularly racist. I probably ordered the quotes incorrectly and didn't explain that properly.

[TorqueDog]

Easy fix: get some police cruisers lined up and pull them over. Issue tickets for obstructing traffic.

Peaceful protest is fine, but obstructing traffic is placing public safety at risk.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by rubecube

EDIT: And I'm sure the racist attidues against First Nations people has nothing to do with the unemployment rate.

Do you find it strange that Canada is one of the most tolerant nations in the world and one of the models for Multiculturalism, but seems to have this "problem" that you are suggesting? We have a very large population of immigrants and take in a significant amount of refugees from around the world.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by GP_Matt

I spoke with someone at Alberta Environment about this and they said this was just the Federal government offloading work onto the provinces. Previously there were 400 or so water bodies that were more important than others so both the federal and provincial governments approved them. Now for the most part it is just the provincial government.
Every water body on public land is protected in Alberta including the 3" wide ephemeral draws and small muskeg areas. Any application to cross or disturb them has strict requirements from the provinces with mitigation plans that must be in place to reduce damages. We get fish biologists out to check on the crossing applications if there is even a chance that the water can flow into a fish bearing water body within a few kilometers.

and than the provincial governments offload the work to municipal governments and their leaders get bought by big business.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Do you find it strange that Canada is one of the most tolerant nations in the world and one of the models for Multiculturalism, but seems to have this "problem" that you are suggesting? We have a very large population of immigrants and take in a significant amount of refugees from around the world.

Not at all. We have a very well-documented past of systematically discriminating against First Nations people. If a government reflects the norms of society, or societal norms reflect the actions of government, what does that say to you?

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by calumniate

I can't believe what's coming out of the mouths of some of you people. You should be ashamed. In the era where racism and stereotyping is considered a major faux pas, it still seems 'cool' to tromp over and generalize the First Nations.

If the title of the story had read 'Omnibus bill C-45 law changing amendments to pension plans, the environment and judicial systems' I'm sure the majority of you would have looked into this bill and done some research. But it was too easy to make the easy joke. Happy holidays, asshats.

I wish I could say I was surprised, but I'm not. One thing the internet has taught me is, given the anonymity of being behind a computer monitor, people are often willing to let their inner bigots out. There are no reprucussions for anything said afterall.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Not at all. We have a very well-documented past of systematically discriminating against First Nations people. If a government reflects the norms of society, or societal norms reflect the actions of government, what does that say to you?

Correction: We have a documented past of discrimination against a large variety of minority groups. Aboriginal peoples are not special in this respect.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by johnnyrocket03

While I agree that reparations should have been paid and were deserved for the abuse, at what point is enough, enough?

They're not being paid reparations. They had a country built up around them more or less against their will and as a result are granted special land rights.

I think an argument can be made that the "current arrangement" is causing their culture more harm than good.

Obviously there are serious problems, but that's what happens when a group of people are marginalized for centuries; they can't simply snap out of entrenched poverty because they feel like it.

Even ignoring the fact that removing their constitutionally protected rights would be basically impossible and completely unethical, I have a hard time believing that it would be in anyone's best interest.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Correction: We have a documented past of discrimination against a large variety of minority groups. Aboriginal peoples are not special in this respect.

Really? Outside of the Japanese during World War II, which group has seen the majority of discrimination, hate crimes, racist sentiment, etc., during the 20th and 21st century?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I wish I could say I was surprised, but I'm not. One thing the internet has taught me is, given the anonymity of being behind a computer monitor, people are often willing to let their inner bigots out. There are no reprucussions for anything said afterall.

it is not just bigpotry........

[Bootsy]

Originally Posted by GP_Matt

I spoke with someone at Alberta Environment about this and they said this was just the Federal government offloading work onto the provinces. Previously there were 400 or so water bodies that were more important than others so both the federal and provincial governments approved them. Now for the most part it is just the provincial government.
Every water body on public land is protected in Alberta including the 3" wide ephemeral draws and small muskeg areas. Any application to cross or disturb them has strict requirements from the provinces with mitigation plans that must be in place to reduce damages. We get fish biologists out to check on the crossing applications if there is even a chance that the water can flow into a fish bearing water body within a few kilometers.

The funny thing is as much flack as the rest of the country likes to give Alberta about being "un-enviromental" the ERCB has a much better grasp and are more stringent on pipeline mitigation than either the NEB or (especially) the OGC in BC.
Also from what I read of the bill a big part of it stems on navigation of waterways, as it stood if a stream or a river changed course due to heavy rains or the like , man was not allowed to interfere, nature was to take its course.
In the case of pipelines this can actually cause a greater chance of a line break.

Most pipelines that go underneath waterways are bored and are very deep beneath the water bed, if heavy rains and flooding changes causes a stream to shift, the stream now may be going over top of the line that is only a couple feet under surface. That makes the pipe more vulnerable to become exposed in the stream which would more than likely lead to external corrision of the pipe and a break.

[smoothpops]

Whether I agree with them or not, they should atleast be applauded for taking a stand for something they believe in. Too many of us Canadians are too apathetic to take any stands these days, apart from voicing their opinions online or at the dinner table.