NFL player kills girlfriend then shoots himself in front of GM and coach

[Kybosh]

I'm quite confident that afc wimbledon knows the difference between a prediction and a conclusion. What he's saying is that based on the information, or rather lack thereof, you cannot even attempt to make either. Yeesh.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

I'm quite confident that afc wimbledon knows the difference between a prediction and a conclusion. What he's saying is that based on the information, or rather lack thereof, you cannot even attempt to make either. Yeesh.

Thank you, and for the record I would like to say I proudly stand on my record at CP for ignorantly jumping to conclusions with little or no evidence with the best of them, but even a dumbass like me needs more than 'footbal player does something violent' to draw any conclusions, at this stage I might as well read my tea leafs with about as much validity to the arguement.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by fotze

I've had a concussion and I want to murder lots of people. Actually just kidding, never had a concussion.

That's because there are no physical sports designed for tiny people.

[afc wimbledon]

'eff you, mustard' (in squeeky mouse like voice).

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

Holy moly you are proving day in and day out to be the one of the worst posters on here.

Concussions have a gigantic affect on how a person thinks. Look no further than Chris Benoit

Thanks, tips. I've had a concussion, I know how it can effect the brain.

Still absurd to link the two unless something definite comes out.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by vektor

do you know the difference between a conclusion and a prediction?

And where did I "conclude" anything before you called me ignorant?

You're being just as ignorant as the people saying it's not likely a head injury.

There is absolutely no evidence that he had any sort of brain injury. Not all athletes have brain injuries or are depressed.

[normtwofinger]

Originally Posted by Iginla

Thanks, tips. I've had a concussion, I know how it can effect the brain.

Still absurd to link the two unless something definite comes out.

Go on...

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by normtwofinger

Go on...

Do you ever contribute anything? All you do is complain and add one liners.

Try contributing to the thread and the subject for once.

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Wow Jovan Belcher had a bachelors degree in child development and family relations from University of Maine.

I read he also has a three month old kid

[Ryan Coke]

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[Ryan Coke]

Really sad event.

Stunning that some people make a wildly speculative link to an unknown head injury as a possible cause, then come down on the guy that says 'not likely'.

Apparently some people don't know what hypocritical is if it they wrote it out on their own computer.

There are any number of things that could be causal, like his socio-economic background, his family dynamic, drug use, depression (non head trauma induced), or any number of things. But it is still pretty unlikely to be any single one of those things, although possible to be any.

[CaptainCrunch]

Its interesting, it wouldn't have been that many years ago that the first jump point would have been to steroids, then casual drug use, then depression and now concussions, thats why its way to soon to make links.

I've had multiple concussions in my life 7 diagnosed and probably a bunch of other smaller ones where I was knocked loopy, my last serious one happened this summer when I went out to play flag football with some members of this site.

I know every time its easier to get them, I also know that including the last one I had crazy mood swings, I forget things constantly, I have terrible concentration, And small things set me off like a anger fueled rocket. So I don't discount concussions.

It is interesting to note that he doesn't show that he missed any time for a concussion through his career, he played in every game, so to me it will be interesting to see if he does have any damage that can be linked to concussions. (From what I understand even with the brain destroyed they can still find damage from concussions in the autopsy). If he did have them then its a pretty strong indictment against the NFL and how teams treat head injuries.

But its way to soon to conclude that he had Chris Benoit levels of brain damage from head blows, but reaching that conclusion right away has become extremely popular.

For all we know the guy could have been a jerk, or a alcohol, or depressed or under incredibly stressful conditions, or bipolar or worse.

Or he just could have been a killer.

I feel terrible for the girls family, his family and his team mates.

[dammage79]

Terrible incident. the problem with speculation in incidents such as this one, is that the masses will never truly know all the details which led to this mans actions. It is plausible it was concussions, drugs, a mental illness never properly identified or just a simple snap reaction to something trivial. Just sad to see that the child will never see his mom or dad again and will live with this incident hanging over his head for the rest of his life. Sad day.

[taco.vidal]

lol white guys

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

lol white guys

Seriously?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Its interesting, it wouldn't have been that many years ago that the first jump point would have been to steroids, then casual drug use, then depression and now concussions, thats why its way to soon to make links.

I've had multiple concussions in my life 7 diagnosed and probably a bunch of other smaller ones where I was knocked loopy, my last serious one happened this summer when I went out to play flag football with some members of this site.

I know every time its easier to get them, I also know that including the last one I had crazy mood swings, I forget things constantly, I have terrible concentration, And small things set me off like a anger fueled rocket. So I don't discount concussions.

It is interesting to note that he doesn't show that he missed any time for a concussion through his career, he played in every game, so to me it will be interesting to see if he does have any damage that can be linked to concussions. (From what I understand even with the brain destroyed they can still find damage from concussions in the autopsy). If he did have them then its a pretty strong indictment against the NFL and how teams treat head injuries.

But its way to soon to conclude that he had Chris Benoit levels of brain damage from head blows, but reaching that conclusion right away has become extremely popular.

For all we know the guy could have been a jerk, or a alcohol, or depressed or under incredibly stressful conditions, or bipolar or worse.

Or he just could have been a killer.

I feel terrible for the girls family, his family and his team mates.

I don't think the thread has been that bad, just general speculation which always happens in threads like these. I think all that sets this thread apart is the fact that two posters made pretty definitive posts, whether they meant to or not, which led to a lot of negative reaction from lots of of posters.

Iginla, responded to Tinordi's speculation with this.....

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Horrible.

Again I wonder what role head injuries may have had.

Originally Posted by Iginla

Probably none.

Murder suicides happen all the time outside of the sports world.

Saying murder suicides happen all the time, so there's probably no issue of head injuries here, despite the fact that most players at his position have had numerous concussions, and it's extremely common to downplay them or not even get them checked because they're afraid of losing their position/profession.

Then Vektor made an equally definitive post, saying they'll probably find sedative in his blood that leads to suicidal thoughts, which led to this murder suicide, and slightly arrogantly mentioned a pshycology degree.

Then things just went downhill from there.

Originally Posted by vektor

Willful ignorance at it's best. Junior Seau's teammates said he experienced around 1500 concussions. Funny seeing as Belcher played the exact same position yet you think there's no chance he even had one concussion slamming his head into other men. They will probably find some kind of sedative in his blood that's used for insomnia. The brain damage, insomnia plus the meds create a cocktail that creates suicidal ideations. But what would I know, I only have a degree in psychology.

"Gary Plummer has done the math.If a 'Grade 1' concussion means you see stars after a hit, Plummer says he's had 1,000 in his career, and his ex-teammate, Junior Seau, had 1,500.
That's one thousand, five hundred concussions."

[Titan]

I don't know the relation to depression and other issues but to say a pro football player has never been concussed is ridiculous. There is an argument that any time two or more 300 plus guys collide at full speed and one of them takes the brunt of it on their head there is at least some level of concussion, and this happens almost every play. This is the sport that let guys die from heat exhaustion in training camp numerous times. "Hey coach, I am seeing birds and hearing bells, mind if is sit out a couple plays." Not said a lot, starting in pee wee and all the way to nfl. This incident may or may not be related to concussion but if it shines a light on how football treats its athletes there will be at least a minor beneficial outcome.

[BigBrodieFan]

So- yesterday, my kid comes home from school with tickets to the Chiefs game for tomorrow. The Chiefs honoured the 6A KS State Championship team by giving them tickets, not that anyone really wants to go see the Chiefs because they suck- but the team had planned on going because it was a nice thing to do before our banquet at 5 tomorrow- a little fun celebration for the kids.

This morning, our team's coach Tim Callaghan was name 'The Kansas City Chiefs Coach of the Year'

Then, the crap with Belcher happened and everyone is stunned. We thought they'd cancel the game because seriously, truth be told neither team has a chance of doing anything so we thought they'd cancel. I guess they're playing, but my kid is so disgusted with Belcher that he doesn't want to go. They are doing a presentation at the game for the State Champs (Shawnee Mission West Vikings), but it's such a bittersweet thing.

Very shocking, terrible, and disappointing. Belcher's girlfriend was shot several times and killed. Belcher's mother initially called in and said her daughter had been shot, so there was just so much confusion as to what was going on for hours this morning. Then Belcher goes to Arrowhead, points a gun at his head while he tells Pioli and Romeo C 'thanks for everything you've done for me,' and walked away and blew his head off. Left his 3 month old baby alone with no parents, and the Chiefs in an even worse situation (if that's possible).

The mood is so somber in KC today- sickening. I don't like that people are building shrines for him and honouring him. There have been all kinds of supporters offering their sympathies for the loss of Belcher, but as far as I am concerned he's nothing but a murderer and a coward. Urgh.

[Sylvanfan]

This does sound pretty out of character, and henceforth a shocking turn of events for Belcher. Agents always defend their players, but his agent claims he was always gracious volunteering for charity events. He was an undrafted free agent, and those guys make teams because they stand out on special teams. Where do the highest speed collisions take place? Special teams...so who knows. It's a tragic situation, and no doubt it's the baby daughter, and the family of the mother who I feel most for. But really everyone left behind has questions that likely never get answered.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Titan

I don't know the relation to depression and other issues but to say a pro football player has never been concussed is ridiculous.

You're right, if someone said that it would be ridiculous. It's a moot point since no one did say that.