Fathers Age Seen as Determining a Baby's Disease Risk

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I think danijam would be insensitive if she knew he died of lung cancer, which of course she couldn't possibly know so your outrage is a little misplaced.

Plus, you said he died a happy man, which implied he was also ready to go (to me, anyway).

Sorry for your loss, though.

Nope, sorry. That dude said if if my great uncle was happy, he wouldn't have minded another decade or two - like he had a choice. He didn't. You can't just choose when you want to live or die. Plus, he didn't need to know how he passed away, that's completely irrelevant to the story.

And for you - how does dying happy means he was ready to go? It just means he didn't regret anything. I'm not sure how you confused those at all.

[Boblobla]

I don't give a #### if you don't have kids, just make sure to send my pictures of your drunken debauchery so I can live vicariously through you from my couch while watching Dora The Explorer or Mike the Knight...

/wrists

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

And yet I wonder if I'm going to hit 50 and see my friends with their teenager offspring going off to college and wonder if I missed out. I golf with strangers who are a dad/son twosome and think, huh, that seems pretty great too.

Fart! I have no idea.

Well think of it this way - when you turn 50, you're going to be able to golf with them just as easily, can afford the nice golf clugs, and probably play better since you've had more practice with your free time over the last 20 years

I have people bother me about kids and marriage. Such gems as:
- "so when are you (finally) going to settle down and get on with your life"
- "there's no rush but you are approaching 30 . . . "
- "It's tougher being an older dad because you've started late"
- "the women you're with can't wait forever"

And on and on . . .

I see it this way - I don't want kids so much as I want to mentor / teach younger people good values and to pass on my knowledge. I don't necessarily believe it has to be immediate offspring; I think it just has to be youngsters with potential to do well.

I believe I've done a better service to the world by helping out young people that need it or could benefit from it, rather than have kids and please everyone else around me. But that's just what I believe - everyone is different.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Well think of it this way - when you turn 50, you're going to be able to golf with them just as easily, can afford the nice golf clugs, and probably play better since you've had more practice with your free time over the last 20 years

I have people bother me about kids and marriage. Such gems as:
- "so when are you (finally) going to settle down and get on with your life"
- "there's no rush but you are approaching 30 . . . "
- "It's tougher being an older dad because you've started late"
- "the women you're with can't wait forever"

And on and on . . .

just tell those people that this planet already has 7 billion humans on it. by not having kids you're not adding to the overpopulation and sucking up resources from an already strained ecosystem. bonus points if they're environmentalists

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Well think of it this way - when you turn 50, you're going to be able to golf with them just as easily, can afford the nice golf clugs, and probably play better since you've had more practice with your free time over the last 20 years

I have people bother me about kids and marriage. Such gems as:
- "so when are you (finally) going to settle down and get on with your life"
- "there's no rush but you are approaching 30 . . . "
- "It's tougher being an older dad because you've started late"
- "the women you're with can't wait forever"

And on and on . . .

I see it this way - I don't want kids so much as I want to mentor / teach younger people good values and to pass on my knowledge. I don't necessarily believe it has to be immediate offspring; I think it just has to be youngsters with potential to do well.

I believe I've done a better service to the world by helping out young people that need it or could benefit from it, rather than have kids and please everyone else around me. But that's just what I believe - everyone is different.

My mom went super passive-agressive on me the last time I was in town. She said she doesn't care if I give her grandkids but I'm pretty sure she's a filthy liar. She has a hope chest full of old crap from my childhood and she said something along the lines of "I was going to keep all of this because I thought it would be neat to show your kids one day, but that's never going to happen now, so I might as well get rid of it."

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by rubecube

My mom went super passive-agressive on me the last time I was in town. She said she doesn't care if I give her grandkids but I'm pretty sure she's a filthy liar. She has a hope chest full of old crap from my childhood and she said something along the lines of "I was going to keep all of this because I thought it would be neat to show your kids one day, but that's never going to happen now, so I might as well get rid of it."

my brother has successfully spawned, so thankfully there's none of that crap that i have to deal with from my family

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Also, I'm using this as an excuse for when my girlfriend tells me she wants kids. "Sorry, baby, but I'm too old. They'd probably be ######ed or something. It's science."

And this is why my girlfriend is awesome. I showed her this article yesterday, without saying anything, and she responded with "Oh great! Our kids are going to be ######ed!"

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

my brother has successfully spawned, so thankfully there's none of that crap that i have to deal with from my family

I have a younger sister, who actually wants kids, so I'm not sure why I get the grief. Probably because I'm the oldest. We catch all the ####.

[La Flames Fan]

I'm a single Dad, who shares our daughter 50% of the time so I'm getting a kick out of...

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Probably because I'm the oldest. We catch all the ####.

Preach on brother.

[TheGrimm]

Originally Posted by rubecube

And this is why my girlfriend is awesome. I showed her this article yesterday, without saying anything, and she responded with "Oh great! Our kids are going to be ######ed!"

One could infer from that statement that she is expecting to have kids in the future...

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by La Flames Fan

I'm a single Dad, who shares our daughter 50% of the time so I'm getting a kick out of...

My first reaction to this when I saw it was "that's a pretty sweet dea! part time parent!"

If I'm immediately seeing the benefits of that, I'm most definitely not ready for any of my own - any time soon

[TheGrimm]

Also, I linked this article before in another thread, so I know some have seen it, but it's pretty pertinent here as well with regard to Autism.

http://edge.org/conversation/testosterone-on-my-mind

The bottom line is, they don't know what causes Autism, but it's certainly on the rise. (or it's detection is)

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by TheGrimm

One could infer from that statement that she is expecting to have kids in the future...

She's not sure what she wants, but we've both decided that we're enjoying each other's company too much to sit down and make any definitive decisions right now.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by TheGrimm

Also, I linked this article before in another thread, so I know some have seen it, but it's pretty pertinent here as well with regard to Autism.

http://edge.org/conversation/testosterone-on-my-mind

The bottom line is, they don't know what causes Autism, but it's certainly on the rise. (or it's detection is)

In the "encouraging news" department, there's this:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...641557460.html

Some researchers say the therapy could hold promise for autism as well.
Eric Hollander, director of the Autism and Obsessive-Compulsive Spectrum Program at Montefiore Medical Center and Albert Einstein School of Medicine in the Bronx, N.Y., expects to begin recruiting for a human trial in adults with autism by the end of March.

"People are just beginning to think about modifying the immune inflammatory response to see if it has some sort of effect on behavioral symptoms," says Dr. Hollander.

In 2005, Stewart Johnson, a portfolio manager at an insurance company in New York, and his wife were at their "absolute limit" with their then 14-year-old autistic son. Mr. Johnson says he exhibited extremely disruptive behaviors, and agitation. The Johnsons were close to putting their son in a residential facility.

Around this time their son made his yearly trip to summer camp—always a difficult time.

But one day, says Mr. Johnson, a camp counselor called, saying his son was calm and behaving better than he had ever seen. The night after Mr. Johnson picked up his son—finding he was indeed well-behaved—he saw his son's legs were covered with many bites from chiggers, the larvae of mites. After about 10 days, the disruptive behaviors returned. "I said, 'this can't be coincidence,'" says Mr. Johnson.

He started doing research, heard theories that the immune system may play a role in autism, and came across the work on whipworm eggs and Crohn's disease. He was able to obtain a supply to test on his son, though first he took the ova himself to make sure they were safe. The eggs, which aren't yet available in the U.S., cost €300 ($396) for a two-week vial, Mr. Johnson says.

After a reduced dosage of the invisible, tasteless eggs failed to help, Mr. Johnson consulted with the supplier, OvaMed GmbH, of Barsbüttel, Germany, and bumped up the dosage. In about 10 weeks, the disruptive behaviors ceased.

The younger Mr. Johnson, who declined to comment, lives at home and has been taking the eggs ever since. The worst symptoms don't return so long as he stays on the treatment, Mr. Johnson says.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by fotze

She's just not showing her hand quite yet.

Pretty much.

[Mr.Coffee]

I'm about to be a dad so I find this thread funny. Not the autism part, but I am kinda young so hopefully I'm ok. The part about don't tell me I have to have kids.

To sum up, it comes down to the fact that people don't want to be told (or inferred as to) how to live their life. This is basically what it comes down to for everything.

Also I'm watching cnn right now and this topic is literally being discussed right now. They just said the actual risk of fathers aged 40 having a random mutation linked to autism or schizophrenia is 2% at the most... (still small, it just increases as you get older).

[TheGrimm]

Originally Posted by rubecube

In the "encouraging news" department, there's this:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...641557460.html

Thanks for the link, it was an interesting read for sure. It seems logical to me that using a benign parasite would hypercharge the immune system... I do wonder about the long term implications of keeping your autoimmune system running 100%.

That said, growing up I had a friend who lived in the dirtiest house I'd ever been to, It was a pigsty... I remember hanging my hand off the side of his couch and it brushing up against something hard, I looked over the side and there was a few pounds of chicken bones stuck away there, further looks revealed all kinds of discarded food and garbage tucked away behind the couch. This guy had to clear a path to get anywhere in his house there was so much cr4p everywhere... Thing is, he never got sick, I knew him for years, he told me once he could only remember getting a cold like twice in his life. I, on the other hand, can walk through a room and catch everything in it, and I grew up in a very clean household.

I now have a great excuse for leaving my dirty socks on the floor, food leavings on my computer desk and for not showering for days on end... Wife is going to LOVE me!

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I'm about to be a dad so I find this thread funny. Not the autism part, but I am kinda young so hopefully I'm ok. The part about don't tell me I have to have kids.

To sum up, it comes down to the fact that people don't want to be told (or inferred as to) how to live their life. This is basically what it comes down to for everything.

Also I'm watching cnn right now and this topic is literally being discussed right now. They just said the actual risk of fathers aged 40 having a random mutation linked to autism or schizophrenia is 2% at the most... (still small, it just increases as you get older).

get ready for the to beging the hardest job you have ever had, both mentally and physically.

Enjoy, it's fun.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

get ready for the to beging the hardest job you have ever had, both mentally and physically.

Enjoy, it's fun.

I also love new parents trying to convince everyone without kids that it's the hardest thing in the world.

It sort of reminds me of hanging out with triathletes.