08-14-2012, 01:52 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Neither here nor there
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Originally Posted by troutman
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Why didn't Mel Gibson just have a referendum way back in the day? Would have been much easier 
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08-14-2012, 01:52 PM
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#42
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
Is Scotland a country or a province of England?
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Both. Sorta. You know how it's the "United Kingdom"? Well, Scotland was one of the Kingdoms it was referring to. Hasn't been independant in over 300 years - some would say well over.
Not really a simple question. Neither is the question about what to do with Quebec.
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08-14-2012, 01:53 PM
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#43
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by troutman
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Still, it is not a part of England. What do you think the U.S. governments reaction would be if all the sudden the State of California decided they wanted to be their own country?
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08-14-2012, 01:54 PM
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#44
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2004
Location: YSJ (1979-2002) -> YYC (2002-2022) -> YVR (2022-present)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Still, it is not a part of England. What do you think the U.S. governments reaction would be if all the sudden the State of California decided they wanted to be their own country?
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England isn't a sovereign nation either.
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08-14-2012, 01:55 PM
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#45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GP_Matt
Really, it would be quite sad if the citizens of Quebec decided to separate and could likely spell the end of Canada or possibly a breakdown of the provinces into individual states with some common elements similar to the EU.
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Are you saying Quebec is the glue that holds Canada together?
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08-14-2012, 01:55 PM
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Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2002
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Still, it is not a part of England. What do you think the U.S. governments reaction would be if all the sudden the State of California decided they wanted to be their own country?
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There are "serious" secession movements in the US too (usually in the South).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secessi..._United_States
Southern Secession: Author Challenges Americans To Consider The Possibility Of Friendly Divorce
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1772247.html
Last edited by troutman; 08-14-2012 at 01:59 PM.
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08-14-2012, 01:56 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Still, it is not a part of England. What do you think the U.S. governments reaction would be if all the sudden the State of California decided they wanted to be their own country?
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But England isn't a country, either. England is also a part of the UK.
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08-14-2012, 01:57 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Maryland State House, Annapolis
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95 was truly the closest call you'll ever see for a referendum. Everything broke right for it to happen, and it still didn't. That Lucien Bouchard type isn't coming around very often, and Canada is doing so well economically, unlike 95, that it would be a big mistake for Quebec to seperate. And like most places, Quebec is seeing a decline in rural population, the largest group that will support seperation. It just isn't going to happen.
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08-14-2012, 01:57 PM
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tromboner
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: where the lattes are
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
This is why Alberta is politically weak relative to it's value it confederation.
Quebec knows how to play their cards. In Alberta, none of the major politcal parties need to try very hard to impress them.
If Alberta shocked the country and voted Liberal in one election, we would suddenly see a lot pandering for their votes.
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We should start with the Calgary Centre by-election!
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08-14-2012, 01:59 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Maryland State House, Annapolis
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Texas is always threatening to secede, though I'd imagine most Americans would whole-heartedly approve if they did.
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08-14-2012, 02:00 PM
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#51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Knalus
But England isn't a country, either. England is also a part of the UK.
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This is why the terminology is confusing...
England is a country, but it is not a sovereign nation. The United Kingdom (consisting of the member countries England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland) is a nation.
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08-14-2012, 02:01 PM
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#52
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Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Originally Posted by troutman
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See what happened there?
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08-14-2012, 02:02 PM
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#53
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So dissentowner, are you saying that if the people of Scotland democratically vote to secede from the UK (not England!), then the British military should declare war on the new nation?
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08-14-2012, 02:03 PM
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#54
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Moscow
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
See what happened there?
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So you're proposing a civil war against Quebec?
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08-14-2012, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Makarov
So you're proposing a civil war against Quebec?
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Oui, les Confederattes.
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08-14-2012, 02:05 PM
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I bet if we made a law that said English and French signs could be used at the shop owners discretion, there would be some sort of civil war.
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08-14-2012, 02:06 PM
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#57
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Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Still, it is not a part of England. What do you think the U.S. governments reaction would be if all the sudden the State of California decided they wanted to be their own country?
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Basically, it would come down to international recognition. Provinces and states can declare whatever they want, but if they don't get international recognition, it doesn't matter. How many countries in the world would have the balls to recognize California as an independent country? Maybe North Korea... but that is about all. Even rivals and enemies like China and Iran have their own regionalism issues that they wouldn't dare. Look at Kosovo... they still only have something like 90/200+ countries that recognize them and as such, are very limited in their independence.
Quebec on the otherhand, could easily make a case for being a recognized nation. They have a distinct language and culture, and were acquired as spoils of war by the empire that still is the official head of the country. If they went up against the UN, I think they would get a lot of support.
Would they get more than 50% international support? Difficult to say. I suppose it depends on how hard Canada petitioned against it.
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08-14-2012, 02:12 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Moscow
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zamler
I bet if we made a law that said English and French signs could be used at the shop owners discretion, there would be some sort of civil war.
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Um, that is the law in Alberta. Quebec does not seem particularly concerned.
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08-14-2012, 02:17 PM
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#59
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
Basically, it would come down to international recognition. Provinces and states can declare whatever they want, but if they don't get international recognition, it doesn't matter. How many countries in the world would have the balls to recognize California as an independent country? Maybe North Korea... but that is about all. Even rivals and enemies like China and Iran have their own regionalism issues that they wouldn't dare. Look at Kosovo... they still only have something like 90/200+ countries that recognize them and as such, are very limited in their independence.
Quebec on the otherhand, could easily make a case for being a recognized nation. They have a distinct language and culture, and were acquired as spoils of war by the empire that still is the official head of the country. If they went up against the UN, I think they would get a lot of support.
Would they get more than 50% international support? Difficult to say. I suppose it depends on how hard Canada petitioned against it.
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Doesn't matter? Taiwan doesn't have international recognition, nor does Somaliland (to use an obscure reference), but they act like nation-states anyways.
On the flip-side, Palestine has significant international recognition, yet it has difficulty acting as an independent nation.
You have a point, and a decent one, but International recognition isn't really necessary.
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08-14-2012, 02:17 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Edmonton
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SebC
We should start with the Calgary Centre by-election!
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I am pretty conservative but still think that a Blue loss in Calgary Centre would be good for Alberta.
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