I fail to see the link between masturbation and "a society that is less respectful of individuals" where people are viewed as "a piece of meat, a simple object of sexual desire, a commodity".
You can't just write something like that as if it's a universally-accepted fact without supporting your claim.
I'll give it a go. I know i'm probably going to get flamed for this... but I'm just trying to explain a perspective. Go easy on me. When people view pornography and masturbate, I don't think it's a far stretch to suggest that people do so primarily to satisfy personal sexual gratification. Lets be honest, most people aren't watching porn to learn about the female body or with the future desire of potentially meeting a porn star one day and getting to know them as a person. They're doing so to provide pleasure for themselves. The actress is there to provide visual stimuli, but people don't care about them on an emotional/personal level. They're just someone to be looked at as sexual objects.
Now I don't have stats to prove any causation. But given this premise, wouldn't it be possible that a society that promotes masturbation and pornography might also foster a culture where women and men tend to be objectified. Certainly, you could look around and see potential examples of it. The sexified icons of pop culture come to mind. The recent thread in which CP members discuss the totals of partners they've slept with comes to mind. I think someone even posted an image of notches on a bed post. As I've said, I don't have hard facts... just a theory. Would be interesting to see the research though. Anyhow, it's been interesting. I have to drive down to Richmond so I'll check in later. Have a good day everyone.
I'll give it a go. I know i'm probably going to get flamed for this... but I'm just trying to explain a perspective. Go easy on me. When people view pornography and masturbate, I don't think it's a far stretch to suggest that people do so primarily to satisfy personal sexual gratification. Lets be honest, most people aren't watching porn to learn about the female body or with the future desire of potentially meeting a porn star one day and getting to know them as a person. They're doing so to provide pleasure for themselves. The actress is there to provide visual stimuli, but people don't care about them on an emotional/personal level. They're just someone to be looked at as sexual objects.
Now I don't have stats to prove any causation. But given this premise, wouldn't it be possible that a society that promotes masturbation and pornography might also foster a culture where women and men tend to be objectified. Certainly, you could look around and see potential examples of it. The sexified icons of pop culture come to mind. The recent thread in which CP members discuss the totals of partners they've slept with comes to mind. I think someone even posted an image of notches on a bed post. As I've said, I don't have hard facts... just a theory. Would be interesting to see the research though. Anyhow, it's been interesting. I have to drive down to Richmond so I'll check in later. Have a good day everyone.
You are right. A society that encourages people to satisfy their sexual urges in a safe and responsible way is immoral. Now, lets get back to killing heretics, denying science, and using our influence to spread preventable diseases.
I'll give it a go. I know i'm probably going to get flamed for this... but I'm just trying to explain a perspective. Go easy on me. When people view pornography and masturbate, I don't think it's a far stretch to suggest that people do so primarily to satisfy personal sexual gratification. Lets be honest, most people aren't watching porn to learn about the female body or with the future desire of potentially meeting a porn star one day and getting to know them as a person. They're doing so to provide pleasure for themselves. The actress is there to provide visual stimuli, but people don't care about them on an emotional/personal level. They're just someone to be looked at as sexual objects.
Do you not think it's possible for somone to view porn and see the stars as sexual objects without caring about them on an emotional/personal level but still have perfectly normal, respectful, and healthy relationships with people they actually know?
I don't care about the stars in adrenaline-fueled action movies on a personal/emtional level either. They're just pieces of meat who are performing on screen for my entertainment. How is that any different?
^^^ The only problem with your theory is how do you stop human nature? Humans are genetically driven to masturbation, and sex in general. You seem to come from the Rick Santorum school of "You shouldn't have sex isn't for pleasure, its for procreation only". Sorry, but sex is never not going to feel good, nor masturbation. Its been this way for all of humanity and its not going to change, so why fight it? The only countries you can count on to have a sex free society are countries like Saudi Arabia that implement religious law as criminal law. And no freaking thanks to living in those countries. As long as we live in a free country, sex and masturbation are just accepted fact.
Its no different than the War on Drugs. Its a lost cause for religious folk to try and convince people to adhere to a strict religious dogma, mostly because those documents were written 2,000 years ago. Worlds just a bit different now, and religions as always are the last ones to evolve. I mean the church was for the longest time against contraception even though it prevents to spread of AIDS (obviously especially in Africa). So instead of adopting a policy that could save lives, its "God's Will" that takes precedent. Seems ass backwards to me, and part of the reason I don't consider myself Catholic anymore.
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So instead of adopting a policy that could save lives, its "God's Will" that takes precedent. Seems ass backwards to me, and part of the reason I don't consider myself Catholic anymore.
This is what caused my father to leave the Church, too. He was born in the 50s and raised as a good Catholic. He went to a Catholic school where he was taught by nuns, was an altar boy, was taught to pray in Latin, the whole deal. As an adult, he was active in his church, attended mass every Sunday, donated the expected percentage of his salary to the collection plate, and volunteered much of his time to help with church functions.
He tried to raise me in a similar fashion, but I lost the faith and rejected the teachings of the Church when I was a teenager, which led to some uncomfortable parent-child interactions. Many years later, my father admitted to me that he was through with the Catholic Church. The final straw, he told me, was that he saw the Vatican as having blood on its hands for purposely spreading lies and misinformation in Africa and other developing areas about the effectiveness of condoms in preventing HIV. He wanted no part of an organization whose actions would lead to the needless deaths of millions.
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But the Catholic Church is already known for changing its stance on issues as it gains more knowledge over time! Here's one famous example:
During the seventeenth century, the Church's inquisitors tried Galileo for heresy because of his support of the scientific theory that the earth orbited around the sun, an idea that went against the Biblical teachings of the time. He was punished by house arrest for the remainder of his life.
Centuries later, the Church accepted that Galileo was right all along. Pope John Paul II said this in 1992:
Eight years later, in 2000, the pope formally apologized on behalf of past pontiffs for mistakes committed by the Vatican, including the trial of Galileo.
Oh great! We only have to wait until the 25th century before the Church changes its mind.
I'll give it a go. I know i'm probably going to get flamed for this... but I'm just trying to explain a perspective. Go easy on me. When people view pornography and masturbate, I don't think it's a far stretch to suggest that people do so primarily to satisfy personal sexual gratification. Lets be honest, most people aren't watching porn to learn about the female body or with the future desire of potentially meeting a porn star one day and getting to know them as a person. They're doing so to provide pleasure for themselves. The actress is there to provide visual stimuli, but people don't care about them on an emotional/personal level. They're just someone to be looked at as sexual objects.
Now I don't have stats to prove any causation. But given this premise, wouldn't it be possible that a society that promotes masturbation and pornography might also foster a culture where women and men tend to be objectified. Certainly, you could look around and see potential examples of it. The sexified icons of pop culture come to mind. The recent thread in which CP members discuss the totals of partners they've slept with comes to mind. I think someone even posted an image of notches on a bed post. As I've said, I don't have hard facts... just a theory. Would be interesting to see the research though. Anyhow, it's been interesting. I have to drive down to Richmond so I'll check in later. Have a good day everyone.
So, if I think about my wife while I masturbate (not saying I do masturbate of course... ), is it still a sin?.... assuming that of course I love her and care for her and don't think of her as a sexual object.
Does anyone have the stats of how many are "infected" with this strain or strains of HPV they are vaccinating for? And how dangerous it is.
It is estimated that 70-75 % of Canadians are carriers. I've been tested and I am one. Being a carrier doesn't mean you WILL get cancer, it just increases your chances.
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The vaccine is said to prevent 70 per cent of cervical cancers, according to Alberta Health and Wellness.
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Two strains of HPV are thought be responsible for:
80% to 90% of anal cancers.
40% to 50% of penile cancers.
35% of oropharyngeal cancers.
25% of oral cavity cancers.
You can see from the first one, Alberta is now considering extending the vaccine to boys. The first article mentions Susan Morgan; yes we are related. This has hit too close to home for our family; we nearly lost Shawn.
You can read about what her husband has had to endure here:
The reality is a girl can be a virgin the day she marries and her husband only needs to have had sex with one other person who was a HPV carrier. Likewise for boys.
The reality is a girl can be a virgin the day she marries and her husband only needs to have had sex with one other person who was a HPV carrier. Likewise for boys.
That's their fault for marrying someone who had pre-marital sex!
And God may forgive fornication, but not the consequences I guess (like removing the HPV virus after going to confession).
Fornicate once, and even if you truly are repentant you might as well become a member of the clergy since you can't get married. Or just excommunicate all fornicators.
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Whats more surprising is how terrible parents are about protecting their children. If the stat posted earlier in the thread is correct only 17% of parents will go out of there way to have their child vaccinated and even if offered the vaccine in a school only 70% of kids get vaccinated. Those are some terrible numbers.
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One thing I will applaud Bishop Henry from doing is banning fundraising from Casino's and Bingo's in Catholic schools.
I worked bingos to raise money for trips and it was essentially stealing from the poor. I appreciate his stance that their are better ways to make money than to take advantage of disadvantaged people.
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Whats more surprising is how terrible parents are about protecting their children. If the stat posted earlier in the thread is correct only 17% of parents will go out of there way to have their child vaccinated and even if offered the vaccine in a school only 70% of kids get vaccinated. Those are some terrible numbers.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I am pretty sure they are publically funded. I say this because of the man/woman who comes to my door once a year and ask which school board I support in the community.
I thought they used this information to plan/build schools in the district.
I don't think the census decision actually affects much anymore. School boards are funded based on the number of students they have now, not on how many people check off supporting separate vs. public school boards on the census.
It's one of those magic shell games the government plays with money. If you say you're supporting the separate board, technically your property tax money goes to the separate board, but then that gets topped up so the board gets the same money per student as the public board. So at the end of the day it's no different than it would be if all the money just went into general government revenues, aside from making people feel better that their tax dollars weren't going to fund Catholic schools or those godless secular schools, as the case may be.
One thing I will applaud Bishop Henry from doing is banning fundraising from Casino's and Bingo's in Catholic schools.
I worked bingos to raise money for trips and it was essentially stealing from the poor. I appreciate his stance that their are better ways to make money than to take advantage of disadvantaged people.
One thing I will applaud Bishop Henry from doing is banning fundraising from Casino's and Bingo's in Catholic schools.
I worked bingos to raise money for trips and it was essentially stealing from the poor. I appreciate his stance that their are better ways to make money than to take advantage of disadvantaged people.
Like the church selling some of it's many jewells/gold/land?
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Whats more surprising is how terrible parents are about protecting their children. If the stat posted earlier in the thread is correct only 17% of parents will go out of there way to have their child vaccinated and even if offered the vaccine in a school only 70% of kids get vaccinated. Those are some terrible numbers.
Jenny McCarthy and Frederick Henry are a bad combination.
I'm guessing a big part of it is the "well my girl doesn't need it, she's not having sex" thing, on top of the factors mentioned in the article.
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It's a Catholic school board plain and simple. You can't expect such schools to promote policies that are not consistent with Catholic morality. To explain it simply without going deep into theology, Catholicism teaches chastity and no-sex-until marriage. Catholicism rejects the HPV vaccine, contraception and other controversial medical procedures simply because chastity is seen as the solutions to the challenges that the HPV vaccine and contraceptive techniques are meant to address.
What does Catholic "morality" say about girls who get raped?
), is it still a sin?.... assuming that of course I love her and care for her and don't think of her as a sexual object.
