Jumbo Ski Resort Get the Green Light

[CrusaderPi]

Originally Posted by Captain Chuckles

I hope you are attacking territories in OTW as you pass

I'm sorry for whatever I've done to you on the highway out to Banff (I'm assuming).

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

I'm going to get flamed hard for this, but...

I came into the thread expecting a bunch of Albertans supporting a ski resort that will destroy a huge amount of wilderness and wildlife as well as traditional Native hunting land. I was right.

So we should build this ski resort (along with all of its negative environmental impacts) so Albertans can have a ton of fun... and then go back home to the prairies?

I've lived in the Kootenays for over half my life, specifically Cranbrook. I've seen the elders of the Ktunaxa Nation in tears because this resort was so close to moving forward.

Go ahead, call me a "greeny," but going forth with Jumbo is just stupid because its environmental impacts heavily outweigh the economic benefits from (primarily) Albertans who don't have to worry about the economic costs/benefits nor environmental impacts of such a development because at the end of the day, they can just go home.

Be happy with Banff and Panorama. Want a change? Travel a bit longer to Kimberley or Kelowna. Why do we need ANOTHER ski resort in the Kootenays?

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

I'm going to get flamed hard for this, but...

I came into the thread expecting a bunch of Albertans supporting a ski resort that will destroy a huge amount of wilderness and wildlife as well as traditional Native hunting land. I was right.

So we should build this ski resort (along with all of its negative environmental impacts) so Albertans can have a ton of fun... and then go back home to the prairies?

I've lived in the Kootenays for over half my life, specifically Cranbrook. I've seen the elders of the Ktunaxa Nation in tears because this resort was so close to moving forward.

Go ahead, call me a "greeny," but going forth with Jumbo is just stupid because its environmental impacts heavily outweigh the economic benefits from (primarily) Albertans who don't have to worry about the economic costs/benefits nor environmental impacts of such a development because at the end of the day, they can just go home.

Be happy with Banff and Panorama. Want a change? Travel a bit longer to Kimberley. Why do we need ANOTHER ski resort in the Kootenays?

Have you been back there yourself? Do you have any real idea about what the environmental impacts will be beyond industry that is already working down the valley? Or is it just an excuse to denigrate Albertans to make yourself feel more righteous?

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by zuluking

Have you been back there yourself? Do you have any real idea about what the environmental impacts will be beyond industry that is already working down the valley? Or is it just an excuse to denigrate Albertans to make yourself feel more righteous?

Yeah, I've been there. I used to take trips there with my grandparents to look at the beautiful views and just spend the day. I've seen what's going on there. Logging, mining, etc.

So what are you suggesting? Because there's already a huge amount of environmental degradation, why not keep going and build a ski resort?

If denigrating Albertans is what I'm doing, then so be it. The single-mindedness of Albertans can be concerning at times. All I'm saying is Albertans, at the end of the day, can go home. British Columbians (both Native and otherwise) who live in the Kootenays, already live there and have to live with it.

How am I acting righteous by pointing out that Albertans often don't consider the "other side"?

[Bunk]

The British Columbia government approved this development, not Alberta. Just because Albertans (as well as British Columbians and people from all over the world) will use the mountain, if built, doesn't make it Albertans' fault - Albertans have zero influence over BC's government decision-making. In fact, I see just about as many "keep Jumbo wild" bumper stickers on Alberta cars in the Columbia Valley as I see them on cars with BC plates.

[Bill Bumface]

I'm going to get flamed hard for this, but...

I came into the thread expecting a bunch of British Colombians supporting a ski resort that will destroy a huge amount of wilderness and wildlife as well as traditional Native hunting land. I was right.

They will sell off their forests and mountains at any chance just to create a couple measly jobs. Every time I drive through BC it's just a bunch of clear cuts and strip mines as British Colombians continue to rape their province.

I always can't wait to get out of there and cross the border back into Alberta and see the wind turbines of our vast fields of green energy spread amongst the native fescues.

[Barnes]

Ah, I forgot I was single minded. I will remember that when I go up for the first time this spring and buy groceries, booze and gas in Calgary and Canmore rather than spend money in the valley at the Brisco General Store and the Mountainside grocery.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

I've lived in the Kootenays for over half my life, specifically Cranbrook.

I am so sorry.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by Bunk

The British Columbia government approved this development, not Alberta. Just because Albertans (as well as British Columbians and people from all over the world) will use the mountain, if built, doesn't make it Albertans' fault - Albertans have zero influence over BC's government decision-making. In fact, I see just about as many "keep Jumbo wild" bumper stickers on Alberta cars in the Columbia Valley as I see them on cars with BC plates.

Believe me, I know it's no one's fault but the British Columbia government and the private contractors who will build and develop Jumbo. I understand that aspect.

My point is that Albertans are seemingly blindly supporting Jumbo because it's going to be a nice resort away from the prairies and it'll be a nice alternative to Panorama or Banff. I'm simply saying Albertans should look at the alternative views/opinions of Jumbo and its impacts on BC before supporting it.

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

I'm going to get flamed hard for this, but...

I came into the thread expecting a bunch of British Colombians supporting a ski resort that will destroy a huge amount of wilderness and wildlife as well as traditional Native hunting land. I was right.

As far as I saw, I'm the only one haha.

They will sell off their forests and mountains at any chance just to create a couple measly jobs. Every time I drive through BC it's just a bunch of clear cuts and strip mines as British Colombians continue to rape their province.

Right. I agree. You make a good point. Is this is a criticism of something I'm saying?

I always can't wait to get out of there and cross the border back into Alberta and see the wind turbines of our vast fields of green energy spread amongst the native fescues.

Cool. Then have fun in your sliver of the Rockies. If you can't stand BC, then you have the choice to stay away.

I'm very happy and full of praise for Alberta's green initiatives. It's a beautiful province, not as beautiful as BC, but it's still beautiful .

Originally Posted by Barnes

Ah, I forgot I was single minded. I will remember that when I go up for the first time this spring and buy groceries, booze and gas in Calgary and Canmore rather than spend money in the valley at the Brisco General Store and the Mountainside grocery.

I thought I was clear, but I'll say it again. About the Jumbo issue, Albertans are usually pretty single-minded. They see potential for a new ski resort and say, "YAY! FUN!" without looking at the alternative side of the argument.

Other than that, I agree with you. If I still lived close to Alberta, I'd go there for gas, groceries, and booze as well. It's ridiculously expensive living in BC. A jug of milk in the Lower Mainland is now nearly $5! I don't blame you for getting what you can in Alberta before coming to BC.

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

I am so sorry.

Haha I know. Cranbrook's not the nicest place in the Kootenays, but I loved living in the middle of the Rocky Mountains nonetheless.

[Bunk]

^ actually the Rocky Mountains are east of Cranbrook. They end at the Columbia Valley - Purcells are west. Common misconception. But what do I know, I'm Albertan, the mountains are just my play thing.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Canadian_Rockies.png

[Bigtime]

Time for the Columbia valley and area to start contemplating separation to Alberta again? Would that improve or worsen the chances this thing gets built?

[Hevishot]

This would definately help bring some much needed jobs to the people of the valley. I dont know how many of you know people who lived or grew up there but alot of the kids that have a trade there are mostly elsewhere now due to the lack of constant work (if any work). In my opinion this will be great for the people that live there regardless of what the greenies say this is needed to keep that place alive because not everybody can work at the home hardware or huckleberrys forever.

[woob]

Originally Posted by Bigtime

Time for the Columbia valley and area to start contemplating separation to Alberta again? Would that improve or worsen the chances this thing gets built?

They better not take away our Appreciation Day!

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by woob

They better not take away our Appreciation Day!

If anything they should appreciate us even more. Every day should be "Worship an Albertan" day.

Because really, could Invermere support all those fancy art stores without us?

[Yeah_Baby]

Next time I'm out there I should totally walk around asking people what their CP handle is.

[WCan_Kid]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

Yeah, I've been there. I used to take trips there with my grandparents to look at the beautiful views and just spend the day. I've seen what's going on there. Logging, mining, etc.

So what are you suggesting? Because there's already a huge amount of environmental degradation, why not keep going and build a ski resort?

If denigrating Albertans is what I'm doing, then so be it. The single-mindedness of Albertans can be concerning at times. All I'm saying is Albertans, at the end of the day, can go home. British Columbians (both Native and otherwise) who live in the Kootenays, already live there and have to live with it.

How am I acting righteous by pointing out that Albertans often don't consider the "other side"?

You've got to love Lotusland logic. A Vancouver based developer gets permission from the provincial gov't in Victoria to build a new resort in the BC interior, and somehow it's Albertas fault.

I do think it's a dumb idea, not so much because they're ruining a "pristine" valley but because the market is too saturated and it's a poor location. However, if it gets built I'll likely ski there a time or two.

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by WCan_Kid

You've got to love Lotusland logic. A Vancouver based developer gets permission from the provincial gov't in Victoria to build a new resort in the BC interior, and somehow it's Albertas fault.

I do think it's a dumb idea, not so much because they're ruining a "pristine" valley but because the market is too saturated and it's a poor location. However, if it gets built I'll likely ski there a time or two.

Didn't you get the memo? Everything is Alberta's fault.



If this thing actually happens I think RK Heli-ski needs to promote a summer service from Panorama up to the glacier, so you can ski and golf on the same day!

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

My point is that Albertans are seemingly blindly supporting Jumbo because it's going to be a nice resort away from the prairies and it'll be a nice alternative to Panorama or Banff. I'm simply saying Albertans should look at the alternative views/opinions of Jumbo and its impacts on BC before supporting it.

We don't care about the provincial border.

I don't care what natural hooker habitat West Edmonton Mall was built on, I still love that I can go for a 3 hour drive, take a poop on Nessie's Revenge, and be home for supper.

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

Yeah, I've been there. I used to take trips there with my grandparents to look at the beautiful views and just spend the day. I've seen what's going on there. Logging, mining, etc.

So what are you suggesting? Because there's already a huge amount of environmental degradation, why not keep going and build a ski resort?

No. I was just dismissing the notion of "pristine wilderness", because it is not. I've also mentioned in a previous post that, by exposing the backend of the valley internationally, it may have a positive impact on how industry manages their activities back there. Additionally, a huge part of the proposal was how to fit within the existing developed (and abandoned) areas.

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

If denigrating Albertans is what I'm doing, then so be it. The single-mindedness of Albertans can be concerning at times. All I'm saying is Albertans, at the end of the day, can go home. British Columbians (both Native and otherwise) who live in the Kootenays, already live there and have to live with it.

How am I acting righteous by pointing out that Albertans often don't consider the "other side"?

Of course, you're denigrating Albertans by making grand sweeping gestures as to "single-mindedness" and pretty much inferring a lack of caring or appreciation for the environment. There seems to be an inferiority complex with much of the Columbian Valley inhabitants due to the reliance on Alberta's recreational dollars supporting their economy.

The ultimate irony being that if they wanted to spur their economy to encourage native-BCers to stay, it would almost have to be in the logging or mining industry. But a ski resort designed specifically around environmental concerns is evil! And Albertans that spend their hard-earned money in the local Columbia Valley economy are heartless weekend warriors leaving a path of uncaring environmental destruction in their wake.

Then there is the fact that many of us have invested in real estate in that area and actually have a reason to care about the economy, land value, environmental concerns, etc. (beyond just having happened to be born there or have their parents move there.)

[Yeah_Baby]

My family has been going to Invermere steadily for over the last decade. And I can say with some certainty that I despise most 'Gorbys' even though I am one. A lot of Calgarians come out to the Valley and assume their feces doesn't sink. And that the locals should suck up to them.


My sister one summer worked at Sobeys. Some Calgarians assumed that she was working there so she must be from there. Starting asking her if she'd every been to the 'big city' and generally being condescending deltabravos.