Graham James sentenced to two years for abuse of Fleury, Holt

[curmudgeon]

Two years for what he did and the number of lives he ruined is a joke!!! Hopefully he will get true justice in prison!

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by curmudgeon

Two years for what he did and the number of lives he ruined is a joke!!! Hopefully he will get true justice in prison!

Dude they're not even going to take him out of intake segragation. They'll keep him isolated and let him go in 6 months. There's no point in putting him through the whole system for 6 months, and even if they did, he wouldn't go anywhere near general population, they'd put him with the rest of the skinners.

[EddyBeers]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Funny how we don't hear a thing from Bob Rae and his caucus of Liberal apologists who vehemently opposed the Conservatives' crime bill which included minimum sentencing guidelines.

It is sad for Fleury and Holt, I can remember watching Holt as a young kid playing for the Bronco's under James, he was always a hell of a hockey player and it is hard not to imagine what would have happened to his career if James had not abused him. It is sad what happened to both of their lives as well. My cousin worked for Theo for two years in New York and it is sad to know what effect James had on him. Theo treated my cousin like gold and seemed like a really great guy when I met him. Hopefully Fleury and Holt continue to work and help out victims of sexual abuse and shine a light on the issue.

Since you brought up politics, Harper's crime bill has longer sentences for pot growers than it does for child sexual abusers. Kinda shows where his priorities are. That is what enrages Liberal apologists.

[Milt Schmidt]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Harper didn't pardon him. The system did. A system that long pre-dated this Conservative government. And since the government quickly revamped the pardon rules, James will not be getting another one.

In short, take your petty and ignorant Conservative-hating politics elsewhere. It doesn't belong in this thread.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...rticle1522464/

You're absolutely right, his pardon was signed off by Pierre Dion. Dion was appointed by the Liberals, and re-appointed by the Conservatives. Harper has done some good on this front but not nearly enough, and I do think that regardless of his statement at the time that he was "disturbed" by the pardon he still has to take some responsibility for the actions of his appointees, that's goes with the job.

I don't hate the tories, I don't love them either. I can say the same about all of the parties, I am not partisan at all, and on the issue of sex offenders I think they all fail. The Liberals and NDP fail for the misguided ways in which they try to rehabilitate even the sickest of criminals in their policies, and the Tories for having all the right sound bites but never seeming to produce results. I don't hate the tories at all, I'm angry with the system, and while the tories are in power they are the public face of that system, and they have the power to change it. The same would be true of any governing party.

Milt

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by EdWard

Since you brought up politics, Harper's crime bill has longer sentences for pot growers than it does for child sexual abusers. Kinda shows where his priorities are. That is what enrages Liberal apologists.

The unfortunate thing about politics is that the priorities lay with the most effective lobbyists. That is why Fleury, Holt and Kennedy are doing what they are doing. If they keep this issue in the media - and if the populace supports them - changing these laws will become a priority.

I wonder what would happen if Kennedy or Fleury ran for Parliament in the next election.

[La Flames Fan]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Convicted Pedophiles should be permanently branded "PEDOPHILE" across their forehead for all to read. There should also be a national database of the residences of all pedophiles....

Bring in these guys...

[Russic]

Actually met someone the other day who felt the fact the victims "make money" off their abuse via selling books "is worse than the abuse itself". I was so blown away by the ignorance of it that it was almost hard to formulate a decent argument. It was as if 40 bits of logic all got stuck trying to rush out of my head at the same time. I know some people have that opinion, but I've never met one in the wild. It's surreal to talk to somebody face to face who's that clueless.

[Stay Golden]

How the judge could lessen this Trolls sentence to 2 years is an insult to the crimes he comitted.
Prosecution wanted 6. There is no reason the judge should not awarded 6 years.

The fact the defence asked for a suspended sentence saying James being banned from hockey was enough punishment. That to me says James feels he is the Victim and his remorse is fake.
Unlike what the judge's statement that James feels an extense amount of guilt. BS he still doesn't get it and neither does the judge.

Sex crimes on children should be a manditory 10 years in Canada. No plea bargin no parole.

Its time that our lawyer infested MP's man up to whats right for humanity.

[Resolute 14]

^ Best response is to write a letter to both your MP and the justice minister.

[Leon]

Don't Judges have any capacity to be more progressive with their sentences?

[fredr123]

Originally Posted by noel

Don't Judges have any capacity to be more progressive with their sentences?

They have to follow the guidelines laid down in the Criminal Code and by precedent. If they impose a sentence that doesn't jive with what's been decided in the past, they run the risk of having it overturned on appeal as "demonstrably unfit".

There's a lot of inertia to overcome if the judiciary, on their own, want to start imposing harsher sentences for any kind of offence.

[Table 5]

Not sure if it's covered, but anyone know why James appears so drastically thin these days? He almost looks like he has a terminal illness of some sort.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Not sure if it's covered, but anyone know why James appears so drastically thin these days? He almost looks like he has a terminal illness of some sort.

Maybe, if we're lucky, he's got AIDS.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Rerun

Maybe, if we're lucky, he's got AIDS.

How would that be lucky, as much as he and his lawyer bleated that he hasn't offended again, we don't know what he was up to in Mexico.

[fredr123]

For anyone interested in reading the judge's decision, you can find it on Scribd. Linky: http://www.scribd.com/doc/86095670/G...s-Court-Ruling

Reading it is just going to make you all angrier though...

[Reign of Fire]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manito...-winnipeg.html

Disgraced former junior hockey coach Graham James could be out of prison before Christmas, despite receiving a two-year sentence this week for sexually assaulting two players.

Canada Justice System is a joke

[VO #23]

Originally Posted by fredr123

For anyone interested in reading the judge's decision, you can find it on Scribd. Linky: http://www.scribd.com/doc/86095670/G...s-Court-Ruling

Reading it is just going to make you all angrier though...

I do think the sentence was a bit light, but the judge's decision is interesting. Especially with respect to rehabilitation - that the complaint being brought so late allowed James an opportunity to rehabilitate and thus mitigate the sentence.

This does seem to be within the parameters of Canadian case law though, if the sentence handed down in R v Stuckless is any guide. That case had more victims, over a longer period of time, performing arguably more degrading acts.

[Jets4Life]

The sentence is about what i would expect, given the fact that James has not been in trouble with the law in the last 15 years, and that he plead guilty rather than head to trial. I still think James got off with a complete joke of a sentence, when he was tried for the assaults on Sheldon Kennedy.

[afc wimbledon]

I think part of the problem is that charging him for more offences now after he had already admitted guilt and been sentanced for as many offences as presumably he could remember back in the 90's gets a bit dodgy legally, in fact I'm suprised his lawyer didn't make more of it.

I wish nothing but a painfull long death at the end of a broom in the prison washrooms for the scumbag but there is a general principle that you should be able to plead out to your crimes get sentanced and then make a fresh start in life and this really goes against that in a big way, if he was a car thief rather than a child molestor I would be pissed they were doing this.

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I think part of the problem is that charging him for more offences now after he had already admitted guilt and been sentanced for as many offences as presumably he could remember back in the 90's gets a bit dodgy legally, in fact I'm suprised his lawyer didn't make more of it.

I wish nothing but a painfull long death at the end of a broom in the prison washrooms for the scumbag but there is a general principle that you should be able to plead out to your crimes get sentanced and then make a fresh start in life and this really goes against that in a big way, if he was a car thief rather than a child molestor I would be pissed they were doing this.

That's pretty much how it goes. Prison in Canada isn't meant to punish, but to correct. Unfortunately, in most cases, it doesn't really succeed at doing either and those sentenced to long prison terms eventually come out more likely to re-offend than if they weren't locked up at all. To me that's the biggest failing of our Justice system these days. It rarely helps the victims and quite often fails to correct the person who committed the crime's behaviour. It's a lose-lose situation.