Act of Valour

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Titan

I was talking a percentile of the general population. It would be neat to know about the forces that exist that no one knows about.

JTF2 was disbanded wasn't it? I assume that is what you meant but the coffee hadn't kicked in yet.

Not that I was aware of, The Airbourne Regiment was disbanded in 92 (A group I tried desperately to get into, thank god I didn't)

The Canadian Special Forces community was expanded starting in 2006 to give JTF2 a better level of support.

Canada added the Special Operations Regiment in 2006 and formalized the structure under the Special forces Command in 2006

Our special forces includes

JTF2
The Special Operations Regiment
427 Special Forces Aviation
Joint Incident Response Unit (deals with Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Warfare threats)

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Titan

I like to think that on the first day on the job the new president is sat down and they say Okay, you know about the seals. That's what we tell the people about. Now these guys over here that no one knows about...

I would think that the first day as President is probably pretty eye opening when they get the first Defense and Capabilities briefing.

I mean, that the active units of their special forces units are very well known. The Seals, Green Beret, Delta, Marine Force Recon, the Rangers, CIA Special Activities Units.

But each of those units for example like the Seals have sub units that are rumored to exist and are extremely specialized.

There's somewhere that the elite members of these units go that are detached.

[CaptainCrunch]

As an add on Titan. JTF2 was heavily involved in security aspects of the Libya mission, while it sounds like they were sitting around smoking cigars and guarding the gate. My guess is that someone was siting bombs in on mobile targets from the ground, and it probably wasn't poorly trained Libyan irregulars.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Titan

I was talking a percentile of the general population. It would be neat to know about the forces that exist that no one knows about.

JTF2 was disbanded wasn't it? I assume that is what you meant but the coffee hadn't kicked in yet.

JTF2 is still going strong from what the public knows.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

I did, and if you watch the movie, you will see how they include a lot of things that people like me can recognize.

I am honestly interested in knowing what they included in the movie that you, a good CoD player, recognized.

[TheyCallMeBruce]

I wonder if a rainbow six type team exists.

[CaptainCrunch]

Doubt it, international special forces teams like Rainbow, and the whole GI Joe thing wouldn't work, they'd never figure out the chain of command, objectives or even differences in tactics training and weapons.

[HPLovecraft]

Here's a good article calling for the creation of a SOF under NATO control. That would be the closest thing to a Rainbow-type unit, most likely:

http://www.ndu.edu/CTNSP/docUploaded/DH_52.pdf

[Titan]

Airborne is what I was thinking. Thanks.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Titan

i totally know what you are talking about. Just cause it is a game doesn't mean you can't learn real tactics and apply them. i am pretty sure you weren't saying that real Seals are the same a Modern Warfare

I actually meant to say that some of the things in the movie were the same things used in the video game, and yah agreed as well, lots you can learn in a video game, but certainly not the same as the real deal. They are both forms of entertainment, and I was wondering while watching how many things were put in the movie just because of the video game playing audience. For example, the UAV, FPS, etc. All real world things, but most of us only know them due to COD. And if anyone knows what all those things are, see you online in five minutes!

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

I am honestly interested in knowing what they included in the movie that you, a good CoD player, recognized.

If you haven't seen the movie and don't play the game, then you don't know what I am talking about. There are video games already made by the military. In fact, parts of the movie's presentation was served from the classic video game perspective (just like football, baseball and an assortment of other movies have done). This was a movie, meant to make money, and you can tell who their target audience was.
Just read a few p/reviews, many of them mention COD.

Me being good was boastful, as people that know me reading this can attest to.

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

If you haven't seen the movie and don't play the game, then you don't know what I am talking about. There are video games already made by the military. In fact, parts of the movie's presentation was served from the classic video game perspective (just like football, baseball and an assortment of other movies have done). This was a movie, meant to make money, and you can tell who their target audience was.
Just read a few p/reviews, many of them mention COD.

Me being good was boastful, as people that know me reading this can attest to.

All the review's I've read/listened to say the same thing: it is god awful piece of sh** movie that has almost no redeeming facts about it and that isn't even mentioning the fact that it is an enormous propaganda piece. I heard one scene where the Americans are "torturing" a guy and the guy basically tells the Americans everything because America "is such a good country" without even torturing him, they just ask nicely.

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

All the review's I've read/listened to say the same thing: it is god awful piece of sh** movie that has almost no redeeming facts about it and that isn't even mentioning the fact that it is an enormous propaganda piece. I heard one scene where the Americans are "torturing" a guy and the guy basically tells the Americans everything because America "is such a good country" without even torturing him, they just ask nicely.

I can assure you it is a good movie cause when I said it would be really bad Azure told me that I was wrong.

So there you go.

[HPLovecraft]

My favourite thing about Act of Valour is the ridiculously defensive comments made to critical reviews of this movie on Rotten Tomatoes. How dare they criticize a movie for being filled with propaganda! They've probably never even served!

[Northendzone]

A rainbow unit, is this the don't ask, don't tell squad?

[Azure]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

All the review's I've read/listened to say the same thing: it is god awful piece of sh** movie that has almost no redeeming facts about it and that isn't even mentioning the fact that it is an enormous propaganda piece. I heard one scene where the Americans are "torturing" a guy and the guy basically tells the Americans everything because America "is such a good country" without even torturing him, they just ask nicely.

Yep, listen to the critics. The movie was MADE to paint the military and especially the SF community in a 'positive' light, so its not surprising that Hollywood and their worthless critics wouldn't like it.

Even better, its funny when the actual actors who were involved in the movies talk about how they liked working with 'professionals' for a change, instead of the whiny, entitled morons that are so prevalent in Hollywood these days.

But hey, each to his own.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

I can assure you it is a good movie cause when I said it would be really bad Azure told me that I was wrong.

So there you go.

Apparently you have a problem when someone has a different opinion than you, so I really appreciate the stupid driveby comment.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by HPLovecraft

My favourite thing about Act of Valour is the ridiculously defensive comments made to critical reviews of this movie on Rotten Tomatoes. How dare they criticize a movie for being filled with propaganda! They've probably never even served!

If you've ever actually talked to someone who has 'served'...they would quickly tell you that Hollywood butchers and completely ruins any story that they even attempt to make about the military. Remember the movie 'Navy SEALs' with Charlie Sheen? A complete load of crap. I wonder what the critics said about that. Probably praised it.

God forbid someone actually goes and makes a movie that tells the story about what these people do in the background to protect our way of life. Yes I know, it might be a cliche, but since when did we forget what happened on 9/11?

So forgive me when I'm genuinely interested in this movie. Obviously they won't have first rate actors. That is to be expected, but its a bit annoying when all the critics can talk about his the 2nd rate acting, when we all frickin' know already that they never used real actors.

[worth]

Generation Kill. About as close as you are going to get to the real thing in a movie.

/ thread.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Azure

If you've ever actually talked to someone who has 'served'...they would quickly tell you that Hollywood butchers and completely ruins any story that they even attempt to make about the military. Remember the movie 'Navy SEALs' with Charlie Sheen? A complete load of crap. I wonder what the critics said about that. Probably praised it.

God forbid someone actually goes and makes a movie that tells the story about what these people do in the background to protect our way of life. Yes I know, it might be a cliche, but since when did we forget what happened on 9/11?

So forgive me when I'm genuinely interested in this movie. Obviously they won't have first rate actors. That is to be expected, but its a bit annoying when all the critics can talk about his the 2nd rate acting, when we all frickin' know already that they never used real actors.

The job of critics is to criticize. Don't listen to them if you don't want to, but don't berate them for doing their job, which is right there in their title.

I hardly think it's necessary to talk to someone that's served to come to the realization that Hollywood action movies aren't meant to be documentaries, let alone ones starring Charlie Sheen. If it's accuracy and emotion that you want, there are plenty of war movies out there that do it better than Act of Valor, which doesn't seem to be as much about telling the things these people go through so much as looking for impressionable recruits raised on multiplayer CoD matches.

Hollywood doesn't stigmatize producers that want to create something detailing the real trials and tribulations soldiers go through. There are plenty of classic movies made on the subject. Check out "Armadillo", a movie about Euro peacekeepers that murder enemies in the heat of battle and why they do it, or "To Hell and Back", about an American soldier trying to get his life back together after returning from war. Generation Kill. Movies (and shows) with actual emotional content that try and show what these people really do go through, not some glamorized, globe-trotting bullcrap with some wooden emotional content inserted to try and masquerade it as something it isn't. Maybe some people have bought it hook, line, and sinker, but thankfully there are those that haven't.

And as an aside, Navy SEALs has a 19% on RT. Lower than Act of Valor, so no.