Give each murderer a rope in their cell...

[VO #23]

A conviction for first-degree murder in Canada brings with it a minimum 25-year jail term with no chance of parole. The "wait 5 years and just get paroled!" jokes are ridiculous. Some of you should learn about the laws in this country before opening your dumb mouths.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by grizz29

Not surprising - Liberals always seem to side with the criminals and get offended when anything like this is said. LOL

This guy's "idea" is against the law. Really, the people that are for it are "siding with the criminals". LOL.

[ken0042]

If somebody wants to let criminals kill themselves, why not allow some good to come from it? Something like allowing them to be subjected to medical trials. If the convict wants to die- let him die in a way that does something to partially repay their debt to society.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I think that's a great idea. There isn't a downside to it that I can think of. In fact, it's humane, if anything.

David Millgard would say it's a bad idea. I can't imagine being wrongfully convicted of a crime and have to deal with that for countless years before the verdict was over turned.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by VO #23

A conviction for first-degree murder in Canada brings with it a minimum 25-year jail term with no chance of parole. The "wait 5 years and just get paroled!" jokes are ridiculous. Some of you should learn about the laws in this country before opening your dumb mouths.

Yeah well since half the time people dont actually get first degree murder, the jokes aren't really jokes, they're serious. Second degree minimum is 10 years if I'm not mistaken. And then there's the guys that get some really pathetic conviction like manslaughter after they kill four people while driving drunk down the wrong way of a highway and they're out in four years.
And as far as first degree murder goes, there was the "faint hope clause" that let guys out after 15 years if they qualify.
So before you go calling everyone else dumb, maybe you should do a little learning.

[ResAlien]

Now that I think about it Suicide Murder Rope is an awesome song name. Good idea.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by fotze

Its a better band name. Suicide Murder Rope with their new hit single Anal Fistula Blues.

I think once we allow non-prisoners to kill themselves, then we can allow the prisoners to do so.

Suicide Murder Rope is the song name, dammit.

The band name will be "Hang The Guilty" that's all screamo certified.

[DementedReality]

dying is the easy way out .. for guys like Cliff Olsen and Paul Bernardo, I vote they live a long and painful life.

send them up to the far north. every morning at 7am, they are given a shovel and a place to stand. dig a hole, fill a hole. dig a hole, fill a hole. non stop for 15 hours straight. every day, for the rest of their lives.

death for these monsters is a gift they dont deserve.

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by DementedReality

dying is the easy way out .. for guys like Cliff Olsen and Paul Bernardo, I vote they live a long and painful life.

send them up to the far north. every morning at 7am, they are given a shovel and a place to stand. dig a hole, fill a hole. dig a hole, fill a hole. non stop for 15 hours straight. every day, for the rest of their lives.

death for these monsters is a gift they dont deserve.

Personally, I'm all for punishment derived from ancient Greek myth.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by DementedReality

dying is the easy way out .. for guys like Cliff Olsen and Paul Bernardo, I vote they live a long and painful life.

send them up to the far north. every morning at 7am, they are given a shovel and a place to stand. dig a hole, fill a hole. dig a hole, fill a hole. non stop for 15 hours straight. every day, for the rest of their lives.

death for these monsters is a gift they dont deserve.

If we're going to make them dig holes, they should dig holes up in the oilsands. Make them dig until they've filled five barrels, which would essentially pay for their room and board.

[Winsor_Pilates]

I can only imagine the kind of pain the guy has gone through after what happened to his daughter.
I think everyone in parliament/opposition should give him one free pass on an emotional comment and move on.
Clearly it's not a serious idea, and not really even a story beyond that.

[firebug]

Didn't know if this article would warrant its own thread, but I found its comments on the state of the American Prison system very interesting.

The last quote isn't so far off what the senator said.

Raise the Crime Rate
(lengthy read)

America’s prison system is a moral catastrophe. The eerie sense of security that prevails on the streets of lower Manhattan obscures, and depends upon, a system of state-sponsored suffering as vicious and widespread as any in human history. Dismantling the system of American gulags, and holding accountable those responsible for their operation, presents the most urgent humanitarian imperative of our time.

The United States now spends some $200 billion on the correctional system each year, a sum that exceeds the gross domestic product of twenty-five US states and 140 foreign countries.

A prisonless society where murderers were systematically executed and rapists were automatically castrated wouldn’t be the most humane society imaginable, but it would be light-years ahead of the status quo.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I can only imagine the kind of pain the guy has gone through after what happened to his daughter.
I think everyone in parliament/opposition should give him one free pass on an emotional comment and move on.
Clearly it's not a serious idea, and not really even a story beyond that.

Completely agree with this. I obviously don't agree with the idea, but I really hope, given the circumstances, there isn't any political consequences for the statement.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Yeah well since half the time people dont actually get first degree murder, the jokes aren't really jokes, they're serious. Second degree minimum is 10 years if I'm not mistaken. And then there's the guys that get some really pathetic conviction like manslaughter after they kill four people while driving drunk down the wrong way of a highway and they're out in four years.
And as far as first degree murder goes, there was the "faint hope clause" that let guys out after 15 years if they qualify.
So before you go calling everyone else dumb, maybe you should do a little learning.

Are you suggesting that any time someone commits culpable homicide (i.e., unlawfully causes someone one's death), no matter what the circumstances, they should be sentenced to 25 years in prison?

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Are you suggesting that any time someone commits culpable homicide (i.e., unlawfully causes someone one's death), no matter what the circumstances, they should be sentenced to 25 years in prison?

Yes, Makarov. That's exactly what I was suggesting.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Yes, Makarov. That's exactly what I was suggesting.

OK, good, because I totally agree.

EDIT: Look, I'm not trying to be a dick. In fact I some times find sentencing decisions to be frustrating too. But at the same time, I recognize that it is not an easy task, even after sitting and hearing days and days of evidence and argument, to (1) assign moral culpability to another person's actions in light of all sorts of complicated circumstances; and (2) translate that moral culpability into a lengthy period of custody, in many cases also costing the offender their career, their family, and their place in society.

[Tinordi]

We should really put them in a cell with a bear. It's basically win win regardless of the outcome, murderer dead or bear dead.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

We should really put them in a cell with a bear. It's basically win win regardless of the outcome, murderer dead or bear dead.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by firebug

Didn't know if this article would warrant its own thread, but I found its comments on the state of the American Prison system very interesting.

The last quote isn't so far off what the senator said.

Raise the Crime Rate
(lengthy read)

That first quote is such f'in garbage. "The eerie sense of security that prevails on the streets of lower Manhattan". You mean the pretty much complete sense of security you feel in one of the safest areas in a major city anywhere in the world? That author is an idiot.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

We should really put them in a cell with a bear. It's basically win win regardless of the outcome, murderer dead or bear dead.

DESS approves of this.