Teen mother shoots man breaking in her house while on the phone with 911

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by scotty2hotty

Not really sure what I'm getting at.

Just saying that I'd be whimpering more like an 18 year old girl than she was in that situation.

she has crazy newborn mother instincts. woman have been known to do some pretty crazy #### when it comes to saving or protecting their kids

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by valo403

You would prefer that juries be guided by the whims of their particular composition on that day then the rule of law?

No. I would prefer the law to reflect the wishes of society and be more protective of the victim. I do not think the victim of an attack should have the added burden of having to calculate what is proportionate while they and their family are under attack.

If they successfully repelled an attack and an intruder was fleeing and they gave chase, or shot them in the back, that would be another matter and something clear cut.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by Rathji

If you don't understand what force is considered reasonable, then you should find out. It's not rocket surgery.

This statement shows that you most likely have never been in a sudden life-threatening situation with hostiles.

It's emotionally charged. Instincts are involved. In the heat of the moment, there is no time to consider what level of force is legally required.

[SilverGS]

Originally Posted by Rathji

My guess is the husband owed some money to these guys, and when they found out he was dead, they can to 'collect'.

Originally Posted by Sainters7

Probably casing the place, seeing who was around at that time, who else lived there (if any), etc.

Preying on a woman who's still fresh in the grieving process of losing her husband and has a small baby, jeebus. My only hope is she shot him somewhere where he could slowly and painfully bleed to death. What a complete POS.

Yeah many different possibilities. Don't know what her financial situation would be but most would probably guess that a newly widowed 18 year old with a baby wouldn't have a lot but then again could be from a wealthy family.

Darwin award candidate? If you wanted to rob the place could of just waited till the house was empty O.o

If they wanted "other" stuff from a 18 year old single mom then one got what he deserved I guess.

The boy won't need his father to teach him how to shoot.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

No. I would prefer the law to reflect the wishes of society and be more protective of the victim. I do not think the victim of an attack should have the added burden of having to calculate what is proportionate while they and their family are under attack.

If they successfully repelled an attack and an intruder was fleeing and they gave chase, or shot them in the back, that would be another matter and something clear cut.

Well I can't speak for the law everywhere, but generally the law takes into consideration the uncertainty, fear and other elements that face an individual in this situation and doesn't seek to require a victim to make any sort of assessment that a reasonable person would not make, hence the reasonableness test. What the law in many places doesn't allow is a response that is not justified by the threat present, the use of deadly force against a mere trespasser for instance.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

This statement shows that you most likely have never been in a sudden life-threatening situation with hostiles.

It's emotionally charged. Instincts are involved. In the heat of the moment, there is no time to consider what level of force is legally required.

If you think your life is in danger, you can pull the trigger. The only burden you have (in a court of law) is to prove that you thought your life was in danger, and that your thinking was in line with what a reasonable person would think.

I really don't know how emotions or instincts have any bearing on the situation, unless they are compelling you to kill unarmed people that are not threatening you. If that is the case, then maybe you shouldn't be owning weapons that allow you to kill someone, but that's just a suggestion.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

This statement shows that you most likely have never been in a sudden life-threatening situation with hostiles.

It's emotionally charged. Instincts are involved. In the heat of the moment, there is no time to consider what level of force is legally required.

Like I said above, the law takes that into consideration. Analysis isn't based on what a reasonable person typing on a keyboard would have done, it takes into consideration the circumstances that the victim faced.

[Crazy Bacon Legs]

All I can say is this: if you ever have to shoot someone in your home, do NOT urinate on the body afterward. Regardless of whether your shooting was justified or not, it raises uncomfortable questions that you may have difficulty answering.

Also, do not answer those questions with rhetorical questions like, "Do you really think he was just going to lie still while I peed on him while he was alive?"

[freedogger]

Originally Posted by Crazy Bacon Legs

All I can say is this: if you ever have to shoot someone in your home, do NOT urinate on the body afterward. Regardless of whether your shooting was justified or not, it raises uncomfortable questions that you may have difficulty answering.

Also, do not answer those questions with rhetorical questions like, "Do you really think he was just going to lie still while I peed on him while he was alive?"

I usually just say the victim peed himself. Hasn't been an issue yet.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Crazy Bacon Legs

All I can say is this: if you ever have to shoot someone in your home, do NOT urinate on the body afterward. Regardless of whether your shooting was justified or not, it raises uncomfortable questions that you may have difficulty answering.

Also, do not answer those questions with rhetorical questions like, "Do you really think he was just going to lie still while I peed on him while he was alive?"

Also make sure that you clean the fecal matter out of the neck hole and the semen out of the eye sockets before the police get there. You should also superglue the head back to the body after you're done.

[Travis Munroe]

"A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone"
I had to lol at this in the comments.
Good for her and I am glad it sounds as if police are justifying her actions.
She has to be due to take a good bounce in life soon!!!

[afc wimbledon]

I have to say it is a bit of an odd story though, she was on the phone for 20 minutes while these mooks were trying to get into the house, armed her self with not only one but 2 guns and then shot the scow when he got in, I have to wonder why him and his buddy didn't take off after being told 'Ive called the cops and have a shottie'.
There is more to this than meets the eye.

[AR_Six]

I hate to say it, but... okay, she waits for him to come through the door and then immediately blows his head off. Would it not have been equally effective to wait for him to come through the door while pointing a shotgun at it, and then telling him to turn around and GTFO? Or even yelling "I'm on the phone with the police who are on their way here right now" before anyone gets in? Seems like this could've been accomplished without offing the guy. I mean if you had to kill someone it doesn't sound like a resounding loss to society, but still.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by AR_Six

I hate to say it, but... okay, she waits for him to come through the door and then immediately blows his head off. Would it not have been equally effective to wait for him to come through the door while pointing a shotgun at it, and then telling him to turn around and GTFO? Or even yelling "I'm on the phone with the police who are on their way here right now" before anyone gets in? Seems like this could've been accomplished without offing the guy. I mean if you had to kill someone it doesn't sound like a resounding loss to society, but still.

She didn't know what he was armed with

There were two of them

She had a baby to protect.

You know that the intruders are hostile

It wasn't about their lives, it was about her life

[Notorious Honey Badger]

Originally Posted by AR_Six

I hate to say it, but... okay, she waits for him to come through the door and then immediately blows his head off. Would it not have been equally effective to wait for him to come through the door while pointing a shotgun at it, and then telling him to turn around and GTFO? Or even yelling "I'm on the phone with the police who are on their way here right now" before anyone gets in? Seems like this could've been accomplished without offing the guy. I mean if you had to kill someone it doesn't sound like a resounding loss to society, but still.

Meh. Im normally not a "shoot 1st" person but shes got an infant with her and the dude has knife and is breaking into her "last area of defense" so to speak. Are we really expecting this woman to negotiate with this guy?

[SHOGUN]

Shoot first, ask questions later.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

I have to say it is a bit of an odd story though, she was on the phone for 20 minutes while these mooks were trying to get into the house, armed her self with not only one but 2 guns and then shot the scow when he got in, I have to wonder why him and his buddy didn't take off after being told 'Ive called the cops and have a shottie'.
There is more to this than meets the eye.

Because they were typical arrogant scum bags and thought they had a helpless woman alone who was probably all teary and panicked.

Most criminals don't seem to believe that you've actually called the cops.

[AR_Six]

I see the other side of it. And I recognize that it's pretty hard to say "well if I was in that situation" without having actually been in that situation. But it seems to me that if you're pointing a shotgun at a dude's head and tell him to leave, he'll leave immediately, and if he's dumb enough to think twice about it, you still have the option to pull the trigger.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

woman have been known to do some pretty crazy #### when it comes to saving or protecting their kids

woman will do anything to protect there babby

becuse these babby cant frigth back

my pary are with the mother

i am truley sorry for your lots

[Notorious Honey Badger]

Originally Posted by AR_Six

I see the other side of it. And I recognize that it's pretty hard to say "well if I was in that situation" without having actually been in that situation. But it seems to me that if you're pointing a shotgun at a dude's head and tell him to leave, he'll leave immediately, and if he's dumb enough to think twice about it, you still have the option to pull the trigger.

then what? how do you know he's left? when is she supposed to feel safe? what if he lunges at her and she misses, then he turns the shotgun on her and executes her? what if hes a crack head with nothing to lose?