Edmonton researchers find a cure for cancer

[SeeBass]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

It didn't matter, his body may have died but they transfered his mind into an Apple Ipad.

Is there an app for that

[CaptainCrunch]

There's an app for anything. If you look hard enough there's a incinerate your enemy app where you can call down a laser beam from the Apple Sat all with the touch of a finger, or drop a shark on him.

for extra an extra download fee they'll strap a fricken laser to its head before they drop it.

[Cain]

I don't understand the thought process Dissentowner...

This isn't a strategy game where you allocate money from your budget into research and you slowly see the progress meter fill up from 0% to 100% and can make it go faster depending on how much you sink into it. Experimental discovery is not a linear or necessarily predictable process. You can't necessarily slap a timeline or cost onto such a venture, and frankly you can't even promise to figure out what you set out to in the first place.

We might not have something "in a few years", we might not have something in a few decades. Something might be discovered tomorrow. It is not always a function of how much money has been allocated, nor time. As such, it is quite a leap to assume that since we haven't seen an outright cure after all our efforts that someone must be keeping it from us for another purpose.

The fact that we have improved survival rates and life expectancy with our research already is a success. I say this as someone who just recently had someone dear to him diagnosed with a cancer that was lethal years ago and now isn't looking too badly. Still scary as all get out, but thanks to all the researchers out there, there is now hope.

[Burninator]

Originally Posted by SeeBass

I mentioned this when Steve Jobs died, if there was ever evidence for no secret cure for cancer his death is the best example I can think of.

Excellent point. The man could have paid billions of dollars out of pocket for a cure, yet he passes away from a form of cancer that has a very high survivability rate.

[To Be Quite Honest]

Originally Posted by Thor

So utterly untrue it hurts.

A Professor in U of C's first year genetics class talked about this in the first week of class about 13 years ago now.

We are a commerce driven society and that is a fact. If there is a "Cure" for cancer it will be costly and available only to those who can afford it or have the insurance to pay for it. In Canada one would have to wait for the cure while the rich will cut through lines (The goal of privatized health care).

On the other hand watch Forks over Knives. It is fantastic and inspiring and in the local library.

http://www.forksoverknives.com/

The "Cure for Cancer" exists, but not the way western people want it to because we would have to quit our way of life. What we want is a cure for our way of life.

[NuclearFart]

Originally Posted by Burninator

Excellent point. The man could have paid billions of dollars out of pocket for a cure, yet he passes away from a form of cancer that has a very high survivability rate.

Interesting someone brought up Steve Jobs. The word in the medical community is that he initially ignored western medical advice regarding his tumor and decided to try naturopathic treatments....until it metastased to his liver a couple years later. At this point the man somehow obtained THREE liver transplants over his remaining life to hold off known metastastic disease and delay the inevitable. How a man of considerable wealth obtained so many hepatic transplants while people with curable liver ailments on a transplant wait list die, should spawn a few questions.

[freedogger]

Has anyone here looked seriously at Oncolytics Biotech? I wouldn't call their product, reolysin a cure, but it does have a lot of potential for certain kinds of cancers. UofC research lead to this discovery. A Calgary company that I have been watching for longer than a decade. 2012 should see FDA approval for head and kneck cancer.
http://www.oncolyticsbiotech.com/tech.html

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Really? How do you know? How many millions have been spent on cancer research with zero results? As much as I cannot prove my opinion neither can you.

I think the appeal to ignorance is my favourite logical fallacy.

[Canuck-Hater]

Originally Posted by Thor

Is it really worth debating you? I find conspiracy theorists like talking to a brick wall.

I only say this because if you followed the ongoing science thread there has been 3 major stories this year on breakthroughs which will lead to a vaccine like treatment for some cancers and hope for much more than that down the road.

In fact this years top medical stories on major science websites probably have a host of cancer stories.

I spend most of my free time reading science journals, websites and follow this stuff for fun, so when you suggest they are hiding the truth from us I find it utterly without basis.

If all medical research was funded by private pharmaceuticals you could possible have a leg to stand on, but a vast amount of medical research is done at universities around the world and many state funded medical institutions which are typically the ones we see releasing the latest and best ways to fight cancer.

Zero results is an intriguing comment, for most cancer's now you can not only survive them but come out and live a long life, the death rates for cancers of all kinds is way down and its only improving.

Cancer is a very difficult egg to crack, its not simply one disease and like HIV its a tough SOB to fight, but we'll have both those eggs cracked in our lifetimes.

Hahaha CP sure loves to throw around that conspiracy theorist label quite freely. Because someone else has a differing opinion, or thinks differently they are automatically crazy. Its the whole way of thinking on this board it seems.

[Suave]

Originally Posted by freedogger

Has anyone here looked seriously at Oncolytics Biotech? I wouldn't call their product, reolysin a cure, but it does have a lot of potential for certain kinds of cancers. UofC research lead to this discovery. A Calgary company that I have been watching for longer than a decade. 2012 should see FDA approval for head and kneck cancer.
http://www.oncolyticsbiotech.com/tech.html

I am in the same boat as you, been an investor for over a decade. Following this stock has really helped me learn about cancer research and the road to regulatory approval. It is a very long and often frustrating process but a necessary one. As results in a lab don't often preform the same way in real life. That is way you often read a article like in the OP. but then never hear about the company or "the cure" for years. Here are some similar articles about Oncolytics and I am sure you could find hundreds about other research.

Oncolytics going viral
Cancer treatment built on virus goes to trial
Dina O'Meara, Calgary Herald
Published: Saturday, September 05, 2009
For a drug to reach the market it generally has to go through extensive research and testing on animals, then four phases of controlled clinical trials on humans. The third phase is considered the most important stage in any new drug's development.

Results of controlled, multi-centre trials during this period provide a clear assessment of how effective a drug is, making or breaking years, often decades, of research.

Ten years have passed since Oncolytics launched seed financing to develop Reolysin. Since then, the company has enrolled approximately 330 patients in clinical studies, gone public, raising $12 million in cash as of June, and recently partnered with the Cancer Therapy and Research Center at the University of Texas Health Sciences Center in San Antonio.
http://www2.canada.com/calgaryherald...7-c594a6e69a62

Cancer victims push for access to drug
David Heyman, Calgary Herald, April 17, 2002

News that a Calgary Company may have a cure for cancer has led to a gusher of calls from hundreds of ill people desperate to have the experimental treatment.

Brad Thompson, president and CEO of Oncolytics, said Tuesday he gets five to 10 calls a day from people suffering from cancer begging for its drug Reolysin.

Reolysin has shown tremendous promise in clinical trials, but it will take a few more years before Health Canada has enough data to approve its distribution to the general public.

Thompson said it is very difficult to tell people they can’t have a drug that hold as-yet-unproven life-saving possibilities, but government rules forbid it for the time being.

"They’re thinking the more we focus on getting the product developed, the sooner it’s out on the market, so everybody can take advantage of it.” Thompson said Tuesday. "It’s tough on individual people, but from a population perspective I think they’re probably correct.”


http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readm...msgid=17343481

[pepper24]

Sweet! I am going to start smoking, add extra MSG to my Chinese leftovers while staring at it as it heats in my microwave and get super burned on my next sun belt vacation!

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by freedogger

Has anyone here looked seriously at Oncolytics Biotech? I wouldn't call their product, reolysin a cure, but it does have a lot of potential for certain kinds of cancers. UofC research lead to this discovery. A Calgary company that I have been watching for longer than a decade. 2012 should see FDA approval for head and kneck cancer.
http://www.oncolyticsbiotech.com/tech.html

Run away from that stock.

And no, they will not get FDA approval in 2012.

[Finny61]

Originally Posted by NuclearFart

Interesting someone brought up Steve Jobs. The word in the medical community is that he initially ignored western medical advice regarding his tumor and decided to try naturopathic treatments....until it metastased to his liver a couple years later. At this point the man somehow obtained THREE liver transplants over his remaining life to hold off known metastastic disease and delay the inevitable. How a man of considerable wealth obtained so many hepatic transplants while people with curable liver ailments on a transplant wait list die, should spawn a few questions.

I finished the book awhile back but if I recall he had early stages of pancreatic cancer (I thought pancreatic was one of the worst?) but his medical professionals thought they could treat it because it was caught early and non-aggressive. I think with his beliefs that the body is sacred he did not wish to go under the knife for surgery and stubbornly held that opinion by masking it with herbal treatment and eating vegetables all day long.

As you said, moved to the liver, had a friend recommend a medical professional in Tennessee who could get him further up the line on the waiting list and I think it has something to do with how the waiting lists work with different States? I can't remember the full story but I remember thinking how the hell did he get up to the top 3 in line so fast. I think he did comment that he wanted to be fair to the process and wait his turn.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Canuck-Hater

Hahaha CP sure loves to throw around that conspiracy theorist label quite freely. Because someone else has a differing opinion, or thinks differently they are automatically crazy. Its the whole way of thinking on this board it seems.

Self evidently not true because good discussions where people have differing points of view happen ALL THE TIME without one being called crazy or a conspiracy theorist.

The difference is sometimes have a differing opinion for certain reasons (or the reasons they give anyway), and if those reasons are invalid.. the patterns conspiracy theorists use are common and identifiable after some exposure.

[Gozer]

Originally Posted by photon

Self evidently not true because good discussions where people have differing points of view happen ALL THE TIME without one being called crazy or a conspiracy theorist.

The good discussions are part of the conspiracy - do you think corporations don't know how to build the credibility of their propaganda?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Originally Posted by freedogger

Has anyone here looked seriously at Oncolytics Biotech? I wouldn't call their product, reolysin a cure, but it does have a lot of potential for certain kinds of cancers. UofC research lead to this discovery. A Calgary company that I have been watching for longer than a decade. 2012 should see FDA approval for head and kneck cancer.
http://www.oncolyticsbiotech.com/tech.html

Funny this should come up. My mom worked in the lab they discovered it (she wasn't part of the team who discovered it though), and its is a very interesting. From what I heard (and this was a w ago, probably getting all sorts of details wrong) it is a very interesting product. I heard of how they could inject mice with the virus and it would then "hunt down" the cancer cells as they had a specific path that was activated when the cancer was present.

[billybob123]

Originally Posted by Deuce Bigalow

Funny this should come up. My mom worked in the lab they discovered it (she wasn't part of the team who discovered it though), and its is a very interesting. From what I heard (and this was a w ago, probably getting all sorts of details wrong) it is a very interesting product. I heard of how they could inject mice with the virus and it would then "hunt down" the cancer cells as they had a specific path that was activated when the cancer was present.

If you're really interested, it's a protein called PKR and it's actually the opposite - PKR is sometimes shut down in cancer cells, and reovirus can only properly replicate in cells that have no PKR, so it only replicates and kills specifically PKR downregulated cells.

Now back to your regularly scheduled hockey forum.

[Superfraggle]

Originally Posted by Canuck-Hater

Hahaha CP sure loves to throw around that conspiracy theorist label quite freely. Because someone else has a differing opinion, or thinks differently they are automatically crazy. Its the whole way of thinking on this board it seems.

dissentowner's THEORY is that there is a CONSPIRACY to not cure cancer because it would harm drug company revenues. He is, therefore, a conspiracy theorist. Literally.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Superfraggle

dissentowner's THEORY is that there is a CONSPIRACY to not cure cancer because it would harm drug company revenues. He is, therefore, a conspiracy theorist. Literally.

And the author of perhaps the single dumbest post in the history of Calgary Puck.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

And the author of perhaps the single dumbest post in the history of Calgary Puck.

Another quality Resolute 14 post folks. This is about as well thought out as he gets.