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Old 12-21-2011, 10:36 AM   #41
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Is Tim from the BBC's Office Bilbo?
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Martin John C. Freeman (born 8 September 1971) is an English actor. He is known for his roles as Tim Canterbury in the BBC’s Golden Globe-winning comedy The Office, Arthur Dent in the film adaptation of Douglas Adams’ The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, and Dr. John Watson in Sherlock.

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Beorn being included in the movie makes me happy.

Looks great, can't wait to see it.
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'The Hobbit': Russian Soviet Version Is Cheap & Delightful (VIDEO)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...=entertainment

http://englishrussia.com/2010/05/27/...-of-the-rings/

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Old 12-21-2011, 05:02 PM   #44
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I just think that if you watch it objectively, without the Tolkien branding, it just isn't that good.

I get it though, people like the brand and they like the universe that the movie is set in. It's like Star Wars, Transformers, etc... It doesn't matter how poor the dialogue is or how transparent the plot is, people will love it regardless.

If that was a trailer for a movie by John Doe and it was called; "Happy Little Elf Adventure", I doubt people would be this aroused about it.

As someone else mentioned, maybe they will have a more compelling trailer next year, but just based on this trailer, I can't get excited about this film.
In no way shape or form does the LotR trilogy have bad dialogue or a transparent script.

Comparing the LotR trilogy to Transformers and Ep. 1-3 of Star Wars just shows ignorance/arrogance. If you don't like the film, that's fine, but don't compare excellent movie making with garbage film making (Star Wars 1-3 and Transformers).

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In no way shape or form does the LotR trilogy have bad dialogue or a transparent script.

Comparing the LotR trilogy to Transformers and Ep. 1-3 of Star Wars just shows ignorance/arrogance. If you don't like the film, that's fine, but don't compare excellent movie making with garbage film making (Star Wars 1-3 and Transformers).
The only reason the LoTR plot could be considered "transparent" is because it's the source material for a significant portion of fantasy lore today. I'm pretty sure if LoTR was never written, my childhood would have been void of the entire Final Fantasy series.
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Old 12-21-2011, 06:21 PM   #46
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In no way shape or form does the LotR trilogy have bad dialogue or a transparent script.

Comparing the LotR trilogy to Transformers and Ep. 1-3 of Star Wars just shows ignorance/arrogance. If you don't like the film, that's fine, but don't compare excellent movie making with garbage film making (Star Wars 1-3 and Transformers).

I don't see a big difference. Most fantasy movies have the same formula. LotR isn't Transformers bad, I'll grant you that, but it's not a film built on great dialogue. I doubt you can remove yourself from being a fan to see the through the nostalgia and special effects.... which is fine. I just really want to get it and hoped someone could sell me on it. Saying you don't like LotR is such a terrible thing I guess.

I watched the first one and was bored until the end, but the cliffhanger was great so I was pumped for the 2nd one, but I have still not been able to watch it all the way through without falling asleep.

For the record, I like a lot of movies that are critically categorized as hot garbage. It's not worth raging over just because someone criticizes them.
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Old 12-21-2011, 06:35 PM   #47
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I don't get the hype. Besides some pretty cool special effects, that trailer make it look like a terrible movie. I honestly thought it was a parody at first.
First off all, the trailer just alone probably is just average, but knowing that we are returning to this world, with Peter Jackson again, is what makes people so excited.

People aren't getting excited alone about the trailer, you're right the trailer is average, it's the entire package we are excited about.

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I just think that if you watch it objectively, without the Tolkien branding, it just isn't that good.

I get it though, people like the brand and they like the universe that the movie is set in. It's like Star Wars, Transformers, etc... It doesn't matter how poor the dialogue is or how transparent the plot is, people will love it regardless.

If that was a trailer for a movie by John Doe and it was called; "Happy Little Elf Adventure", I doubt people would be this aroused about it.

As someone else mentioned, maybe they will have a more compelling trailer next year, but just based on this trailer, I can't get excited about this film.
Again, it's probably not based on just the trailer. Peter Jackson did such an amazing jobs on LOTR, that just having stills and a couple simple scenes are enough to get people excited.

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I don't see a big difference. Most fantasy movies have the same formula. LotR isn't Transformers bad, I'll grant you that, but it's not a film built on great dialogue. I doubt you can remove yourself from being a fan to see the through the nostalgia and special effects.... which is fine. I just really want to get it and hoped someone could sell me on it. Saying you don't like LotR is such a terrible thing I guess.

I watched the first one and was bored until the end, but the cliffhanger was great so I was pumped for the 2nd one, but I have still not been able to watch it all the way through without falling asleep.

For the record, I like a lot of movies that are critically categorized as hot garbage. It's not worth raging over just because someone criticizes them.
You don't like Lord of the Rings, then we even enter the thread? lol

What are you blabbing on with, nostalgia?

I wasn't a Lord of the Rings fan before the movie, I knew the material, but never read the books. The movies (which are great) made me a fan.

You barely made it through the first one, and you don't like it. That's fine, but why even enter the thread then, just to be a dinkus?

If it's to be a dinkus that's fine, I would understand that, because the points you are making are weird.
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First off all, the trailer just alone probably is just average, but knowing that we are returning to this world, with Peter Jackson again, is what makes people so excited.
That's all you had to say. I thought it was the content of the trailer itself, but your explanation makes sense.

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Because I wanted to see the trailer to see if might like it. Just because I didn't think the other 2 were great, it doesn't mean that I wouldn't like this one. I am keeping an open mind. I didn't hate the other 2 enough to make me want to avoid the whole franchise.


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You barely made it through the first one, and you don't like it. That's fine, but why even enter the thread then, just to be a dinkus?

If it's to be a dinkus that's fine, I would understand that, because the points you are making are weird.
I didn't realize that a discussion about the LotR meant that you could only praise it and not criticize it.
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Old 12-21-2011, 07:39 PM   #49
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Nothing is going to change so much between the Hobbit and the LotR series that will make you like it if you didn't like the first three. A two minute trailer is hardly going to change your perspective. Still fantasy, same director, same stories written by the same old professor.
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I wasn't a Lord of the Rings fan before the movie, I knew the material, but never read the books. The movies (which are great) made me a fan.
Same thing here. I had heard of the Hobbit before but wasn't even aware of the existence of LOTR. I watched the first movie and it just drew me right in. I wanted to know everything about it... I started reading the books... I enjoyed each of the movies. There is a lot of merit to these movies standing alone as great works of film. I don't think they're just another expression of a few peoples' favourite fantasy genre.
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I don't see a big difference. Most fantasy movies have the same formula. LotR isn't Transformers bad, I'll grant you that, but it's not a film built on great dialogue. I doubt you can remove yourself from being a fan to see the through the nostalgia and special effects.... which is fine. I just really want to get it and hoped someone could sell me on it. Saying you don't like LotR is such a terrible thing I guess.

I watched the first one and was bored until the end, but the cliffhanger was great so I was pumped for the 2nd one, but I have still not been able to watch it all the way through without falling asleep.

For the record, I like a lot of movies that are critically categorized as hot garbage. It's not worth raging over just because someone criticizes them.
I don't blame you, I was super bored during the middle of the Two Towers too in the theater, but I still really enjoyed the film and that last battle which was like 45 minutes long was amazing.

The trailer was good (for me) because the song the dworves sung was amazing (in my opinion) and gave a fantastic atmosphere for the trailer, even if they didn't show much. Like MMF, it's the sense that you're going to be able to join that world again, that's what excites you, and like I mentioned the song was really good.
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