FDA warns public about HGC diet, which is ILLEGAL

[Jbo]

I lost 30 pounds in the past year. My goal was to lose one pound a week. Quick math, there is 3500 hundred calories in one pound. Break that over a week and you need to adjust your diet by either reducing caloric intake by 500 or upping your exercise to use up 500. The best way is a combination of both. However, as you exercise you will often burn more then just 500 calories, so you end up eating more. This in turn starts your metabolism up. Plus muscle that comes from working out uses more calories then fat.

Weight loss and good health is not some mystery or secret. The real factor is consistency. To actually get up 5-6 days a week and do it.

[Table 5]

So what kind of BMW are we talking about here?

Let's morph this into another car thread.

[Kybosh]

Originally Posted by Table 5

So what kind of BMW are we talking about here?

Let's morph this into another car thread.

With this program, you too could have this BMW parked in your garage!



Edit: Forgot that the OP said no exercise. Crap, so bikes are out.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Azure

Obviously its doable. Anything is doable.

Cutting out sugar is a a big plus, but I would venture a pretty educated guess that a big part of your success has to do with superior genetics and some obvious muscle memory from a past that involved weigh training.

I lol'd at the genetics part. I am not Khan from the Star Trek series. Superior genetics, I do not have, that is for certain.

Muscle memory, yes, I did have the benefit of that from my meat head days.

Originally Posted by Azure

Working out 2 hours per day for 6 months straight is a recipe for disaster if you ask me.

I kept my workouts high intensity and short duration. 45 mins to 1 hr max. I don't know if you are familiar with German volume building, but it is quick, dirty, and ultra effective. A lot of people call it 10 sets of 10. It is old school 70's weight training, with high intensity. Just need Creatine and Glucostamine to help your joints recover. I take every 5th week as a an off week. And always stop if I sense any sort of muscle or joint injury. Max lifts are limited to once a month.

Originally Posted by Azure

Because of that you simply can't expect people to do that. Which is why diet is a lot more important than any exercise program.

I have the benefit of having no kids, yes that is a luxury for time. And obviously you have to eat right. But it is not hard to stock your fridge and cupboards with pounds of carrot sticks, tuna, brown rice, chicken breasts, bananas and spinach. Throw away the salt, and use pepper instead, and don't add sugar to anything. You can eat as much of that stuff as you want. Sundays, anything goes for diet.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by Table 5

So what kind of BMW are we talking about here?

Let's morph this into another car thread.

Directly from his Facebook. FREE BMW'S! All you have to do is scam friends and family!

[Table 5]

Sold!

[pylon]

Dammit, and I actually paid for mine.

What a dumbass I am.

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by Azure

I am simply arguing against the notion that exercise is more important than your diet. You do need both, but last time I checked the 80/20 rule was widely accepted.

There's no "rule". What's accepted is that to be as healthy as you can you need to be as thin as possible, have as healthy a diet as possible, and exercise as much as possible. Whenever I prescribe people anything there's always equal focus on both the diet and the exercise.

I don't know why'd you'd ever have to choose one over the other. If you have time limitations, then you exercise as much as you can and eat as healthy as you can, the same thing you'd do with all the time in the world.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by puckluck

I just realized I am friends with Jon's wife on facebook. Or I should say was friends until she annoyed the crap out of me with the constant BS about all these challenges and "free BMW'S" and deleted her.

Same issues with some once-close friends. The wife was brainwashed by Amway, the husband followed along. Now they constantly pester everyone they know via every communication channel to buy Amway products and anybody who tries to tell them they are being MLM scammed (they are compelled into going to seminars and meetings where they pay $$$ for materials that supposedly are necessary to help them sell stuff). Everyone knows they are in major debt, and yet you can barely talk to them anymore because they have been so brainwashed by MLM junk that they don't even converse like normal human beings anymore.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by pylon

I lol'd at the genetics part. I am not Khan from the Star Trek series. Superior genetics, I do not have, that is for certain.

Muscle memory, yes, I did have the benefit of that from my meat head days.

Its not that strange. We here all the time from the people that can eat as much as they want, workout as much as they want, but not gain any lean muscle mass. You obviously don't have that problem. Its not so much Khan from Star Trek, but you probably do have the genetic makeup that allows you to have a more muscular build.

I kept my workouts high intensity and short duration. 45 mins to 1 hr max. I don't know if you are familiar with German volume building, but it is quick, dirty, and ultra effective. A lot of people call it 10 sets of 10. It is old school 70's weight training, with high intensity. Just need Creatine and Glucostamine to help your joints recover. I take every 5th week as a an off week. And always stop if I sense any sort of muscle or joint injury. Max lifts are limited to once a month.

Ah, now you're breaking it down.

Either way there are different ways to accomplish 'goals.' I've done 3x5, 5x5(Rippitoe style)....and breathing squats, where you take 80% of your 1RM, and do 20 squats with it.

I have the benefit of having no kids, yes that is a luxury for time. And obviously you have to eat right. But it is not hard to stock your fridge and cupboards with pounds of carrot sticks, tuna, brown rice, chicken breasts, bananas and spinach. Throw away the salt, and use pepper instead, and don't add sugar to anything. You can eat as much of that stuff as you want. Sundays, anything goes for diet.

Agreed.

All I'm saying is that people don't have time. Especially parents, so they need something that works. Well, seriously watching your diet works, especially when you can't exercise as much as you and I. Calories in, calories out. You got away with it because of the amount of cycling you did.

Same thing applies to me during hockey season. I've worn a HR monitor, and sometimes during a 2 hour game, I burn upwards of 2,000 calories. For the normal person that doesn't work though.

[Swarly]

Originally Posted by pylon

Actually if my mom had to resort to selling Avon, I would most certainly warn her of the dangers of getting involved in these MLM companies. (Is Avon even MLM? I am unsure of that.) In fact I would probably just give her a couple grand a month, because obviously I had failed as a son in some way, if that is what she had to resort to. .....

Its not, most of the companies he listed are not MLM. My mom has sold AVON for years, she likes it. But she doesnt get paid money based on how many people she suckers into signing up under her. She just gets commission from selling products that people like.


edit: I should also add that you dont have to pay money just to have the privilege of selling their product. Most MLM's that I have heard of charge 100's of dollars to sign up, money that falls up the pyramid. You make more money for signing people up that actually selling any product.

[CaptainCrunch]

After hearing that Pylon works out at Talisman center, I was sorely tempted to work out there, but I would be afraid that the new hulk like Pylon would rip my head off and slam dunk it through a basketball hoop to avenge his father's honor over the fence incident.

[Superfraggle]

Originally Posted by Azure

I am simply arguing against the notion that exercise is more important than your diet. You do need both, but last time I checked the 80/20 rule was widely accepted.

And just to throw some more stuff out there, I know quite a few people that cleaned up their diet, and dropped quite a bit of weight without ever seriously getting involved in any exercise program.

What is the first thing any doctor or certified medical professional will tell you when you go get your physical done and your cholesterol and blood pressure levels are way to high?

"Time to lose weight."
"How do I do that."
"Well first, you should start watching what you eat....., and THEN, you should start getting some exercise in 3-4x per week."

You should check again. Your imaginary medical professional, if credible, would say you should start watching what you eat AND get some exercise, since you can do both simultaneously and there is no reason to hold off on starting exercise.

It's very simple. If calories out > calories in, you will lose weight. Diet change reduces calories in. Exercise increases calories out. Which has greater effect depends entirely on how many calories your diet is reducing or your exercise is burning off.

[Yasa]

Guys. JonDuke is 100% correct. I made eleventy billion dollars last week as well as gained 20 lbs of muscle mass and all I had to do was write a bunch of convenient sounding bull#### and ruin peoples lives. Super easy!

[Hack&Lube]

If you guys give me a BMW, I'll teach you the "eating from the Food Bank" diet.

[MaDMaN_26]

I'm confused... when did it become ok to pimp your business on CP... I thought there was a rule about that... I think realator1 has a deal, he's a CP sponsor or something... but be it a MLM or just just trying to convince you all to come to my corner store... I didn't think it was allowed...

I mean he is disguising it as a "oh look at this study/news, warn your friends" post but its a thinly veiled attempt to pimp his MLM - imho.

[OffsideSpecialist]

Isn't there actually a sub-forum for pimping your business? And it looks to me like the OP was pimping his business but masquerading it as news story to try and get away with getting it in a busier forum...

[moon]

Originally Posted by MaDMaN_26

I'm confused... when did it become ok to pimp your business on CP... I thought there was a rule about that... I think realator1 has a deal, he's a CP sponsor or something... but be it a MLM or just just trying to convince you all to come to my corner store... I didn't think it was allowed...

I mean he is disguising it as a "oh look at this study/news, warn your friends" post but its a thinly veiled attempt to pimp his MLM - imho.

Its not the first time he has tried pimping his company either.

But as he will realize, much like Michael Ha, when you try something stupid like this it likely does more harm than good.

In this case his stupid MLM business gets exposed for the crap it is and he is laughed at for being the fool he is for thinking he would fool people into throwing money away to him.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Superfraggle

You should check again. Your imaginary medical professional, if credible, would say you should start watching what you eat AND get some exercise, since you can do both simultaneously and there is no reason to hold off on starting exercise.

It's very simple. If calories out > calories in, you will lose weight. Diet change reduces calories in. Exercise increases calories out. Which has greater effect depends entirely on how many calories your diet is reducing or your exercise is burning off.

And it is far easier to reach the magic number of 3500 to lose a pound by watching what you eat, rather than spending 2 hours per night on the bike to burn 1,000 calories.

Of course you should do both. But if you eat like a pig and exercise 1 hour per day you won't lose weight. End of story.

[Superfraggle]

Originally Posted by Azure

And it is far easier to reach the magic number of 3500 to lose a pound by watching what you eat, rather than spending 2 hours per night on the bike to burn 1,000 calories.

Of course you should do both. But if you eat like a pig and exercise 1 hour per day you won't lose weight. End of story.

You should stop looking for magic numbers. There are none. Every person is different. How much you will lose by watching what you eat or exercising depends on what you were already eating and doing. It's stupid to argue about which is better because both is ALWAYS better than one or the other.