Feaster: "I really feel Jarome will finish his career here in Calgary"

[Vinny01]

Sundin was 37 when his saga was at its worst so Iggy still has 3 years

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Well I just don't know if I agree that the return is going to be that good. The way I see it is a top prospect, a first round pick and a salary dump.

Iginla scored 40 last year and would be coveted by any Cup contender. Players with his history don't become available very often. There's gonna be some GM out there who thinks Iginla just needs a change of scenery, or to be the complimentary piece to a crazy centre (see Crosby, Giroux, etc.)

I think he'd return as much as anybody has at the deadline.

Just because he's playing poorly right now doesn't mean his value is crap. He played poorly at the beginning of last season and still got 40. He's a two time 50+ goal scorer and a 4 time 40+ scorer.

I think Feaster could command a huge return for Iginla if he was was shopped.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Zethrynn

Yeah no kidding, would sure suck to be in the position Toronto is in right now...oh wait..

Toronto has missed the playoffs 6 straight seasons so ya that would suck

[mattyk19]

Glad to hear that statement. But the fact is, something drastic needs to be done. If Iggy's staying, great. But do SOMETHING so that he doesn't have to still be on the Flames when he's 45 and getting $1M per. Iggy should cut his contact if he wants to stay on the team to make room for the franchise to afford top line players.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

Iginla isn't going to be traded for elite talent. He would be traded for young emerging talent with potential. There is no sure thing.

A lot of the best young prospects are pretty much sure things.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

A lot of the best young prospects are pretty much sure things.

And which "best" young prospects do you think he could return that are "sure things"?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Iginla scored 40 last year and would be coveted by any Cup contender. Players with his history don't become available very often. There's gonna be some GM out there who thinks Iginla just needs a change of scenery, or to be the complimentary piece to a crazy centre (see Crosby, Giroux, etc.)

I think he'd return as much as anybody has at the deadline.

Just because he's playing poorly right now doesn't mean his value is crap. He played poorly at the beginning of last season and still got 40. He's a two time 50+ goal scorer and a 4 time 40+ scorer.

I think Feaster could command a huge return for Iginla if he was was shopped.

Well then Feaster might want to shop him but maybe Iginla really doesn't want to go? Maybe he believes in his team mates or the organization? Maybe the figures he has 5-7 years left in the league and will survive the rebuild? We don't know if Feaster hasa asked Iginla what he wants and Jarome said he really wants to stay unless Feaster really wants to blow it up. I don't see how Jay is going to completely change his philosophy 2 months into the season. If the Flames are terrible all year and finish bottom 5 he will probably soften his stance? Saying he is not trading Jarome NOW and he thinks Iggy will END his career in Calgary doesn't mean Iginla will never be moved. Trade him at the draft and resign him as UFA

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

A lot of the best young prospects are pretty much sure things.

What contending team has a sure thing prospect right now? I am not huge on trading Iginla for Dougie Hamilton. We have to keep in mind that there are about 5-7 teams that realistically could make a play for Jarome that it would be worth his while leaving. 1 of which is Vancouver and you can basically scratch them off the list

[Phanuthier]

Iginla would command a king's ransom for sure. There's no way you deal Iginla just for the hell of it. It would have to take the right offer, from the right team that would take Iginla to a cup. I'd be embarrassed as a fan if the Flames tried to deal him to the NYI or Florida.

Saying that... look at this team right now. It's a pretty bad team, going in the wrong direction. There's a cancer of losing culture growing in this team and a feeling of apathy when they are on the ice. Its really sad, and symptomatic of the late 90's Flames. Unlike a few years ago, when the Flames are down, I don't see the leadership or the talent to rebound. I really hope Feaster knows what the hell he's doing, because the only thing sadder than Iginla beginning the first 7 years of his career missing the playoffs, is finishing the last 7 years of his career missing the playoffs... and we're 2.5/7 season there.

[mister__big]

Feaster is just spewing the usual rhetoric that every GM would say. No GM in their right mind would tell a reporter "Yeah I've been working the phones real hard in the last week trying to deal Jarome but it's hard cause he's been pretty bad this season."

It's just like when a GM publicly gives a vote of confidence to his coach before firing him a week later. Like politicians, you can never trust what a GM says in public.

[Captain_Obvious]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Saying that... look at this team right now. It's a pretty bad team, going in the wrong direction. .

This sentiment seems to be really prevalent on this board and I'm not sure why.

This is not a good team right now and not many expected to be.

There's been an injection of youth, we look like we're going to draft very high in a deep draft, and we have assets to sell off at the deadline.

In addition, we have a lot of salary coming off the books this year.

That sounds like the right direction to me in the big picture. In the small picture of this season, we're not heading in the "right" direction in terms of making the playoffs, but I'm at a loss why that notion hasn't been dispelled for some people around here.

It's like there's shock and outrage when we keep losing.

In the big picture, we have a lot of young bright spots, we have some assets that can be sold off at the deadline, we'll draft high, and we have a ton of salary to throw around in free agency this summer.

It just takes a bit of perspective.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

What contending team has a sure thing prospect right now? I am not huge on trading Iginla for Dougie Hamilton. We have to keep in mind that there are about 5-7 teams that realistically could make a play for Jarome that it would be worth his while leaving. 1 of which is Vancouver and you can basically scratch them off the list

Yeah that is the tough question. Couturier and Schenn in Philly come to mind. Maybe Connolly in Tampa if they were to turn it around. Buffalo has a few intriguing young players in Adam, Myers, etc. WSH has Kuznetsov and Colorado's 1st rounder but I'm wary of Russians. Would PIT part with Malkin if we threw something in? Or Staal+?

Last year at the deadline might have been better timing. And perhaps next year would be better timing if lets say WSH drafts a crazy guy with COL's 1st.

I think Iginla's value is very high but you are right in that the best prospects in the world tend to be on the non-playoff teams

[boogerz]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Iginla would command a king's ransom for sure. There's no way you deal Iginla just for the hell of it. It would have to take the right offer, from the right team that would take Iginla to a cup. I'd be embarrassed as a fan if the Flames tried to deal him to the NYI or Florida.

Saying that... look at this team right now. It's a pretty bad team, going in the wrong direction. There's a cancer of losing culture growing in this team and a feeling of apathy when they are on the ice. Its really sad, and symptomatic of the late 90's Flames. Unlike a few years ago, when the Flames are down, I don't see the leadership or the talent to rebound. I really hope Feaster knows what the hell he's doing, because the only thing sadder than Iginla beginning the first 7 years of his career missing the playoffs, is finishing the last 7 years of his career missing the playoffs... and we're 2.5/7 season there.

I don't think anyone is qualified to make statements like this unless they're part of the Flames organization and/or or in the dressing room, and know what's going on behind the scenes. Maybe Iginla is the problem, maybe is isn't.

Although, with the except the nucks or the oil, it doesn't matter what team Iginla gets traded to. It's the Calgary Flames, not the Calgary Iginlas. If Florida offers a great package with one of their many great prospects like Huberdeau, Howden, or Gudbranson, the Flames would be fools not to take that deal.

[afc wimbledon]

This sentiment seems to be really prevalent on this board and I'm not sure why. = I'm frightened to look at the standings. Even my stock portfolio looks better in comparison.

This is not a good team right now and not many expected to be = we have really sucked for a few years now and there was no reason to think this year would be different.

There's been an injection of youth, we look like we're going to draft very high in a deep draft, and we have assets to sell off at the deadline.= The team sucks so bad we might as well bring up the kids as it won't make a bit of difference, we will suck so bad we will draft top 5.

In addition, we have a lot of salary coming off the books this year.= The team is full of players that suck so badly no one in their right mind would bother to resign them.

That sounds like the right direction to me in the big picture. = I've run out of my meds again.


It just takes a bit of perspective. = I want whatever the hell you are smoking.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

I have zero interest in tracing and re-posting your drivel to prove to you that you do little other than complain here about everything and everyone. I have very little respect for your opinion because of how skewed and dripping with pessimism it always is.

I have over 13,000 posts here I can guarantee you I do a lot more than complain. But as usual you read what you want and ignore reality.

Iginla isn't going to be traded for elite talent. He would be traded for young emerging talent with potential. There is no sure thing.

With that said, there is just as much chance we can have the same level of success keeping him, drafting well and making other decisions to rebuild through the draft, free agency and other trades in the next few seasons.

You don't like that and don't agree.

He is going to be traded for elite level prospects. The kind we are highly unlikely going to get anywhere else other than by trading him.

There is no way that we have an equal chance of having a successful rebuild by drafting later (especially outside of the top 5) and keeping old declining players over young, talented guys.

You may not like that but it is a fact.

[Calgary Highlander]

Part of me thinks that that wasn't just lawyer speak. And that has me terrified that this organization and its owners/management don't have the fortitude to make the tough calls.

[Phanuthier]

There's been an injection of youth, we look like we're going to draft very high in a deep draft, and we have assets to sell off at the deadline.

While there are some good young players, there are no real blue chippers. Sven is the closest to one. Nimesz is good, but 2nd line potential? Byron - 2nd line. Horak - 2nd line. Backlund - I'd argue 1st line, but tonights not a good night for that. Brodie? Still think he's 2nd-3rd D. Butler I see as 3rd-4th D.

I see a lot of 2nd liners / 2nd pairing defenseman with one or two 1st liners and no blueline studs - IF they all turn out as expected. There is a large gap between our core of early 30's, and our future of early 20's - the 22-30 range is very thin - Gio and Bouw. That huge gap is also scary. As we wait for Sven and Nimesz, Iginla will be 35? 36?

... AND, to barely hang on as a tier above bottom dweller, if we even are, is riding on the back of Kiprusoff. I want to first see this team be competitive without Kiprusoff, then put in an all star goalie... rather than hang onto a all star goalie to keep from being a last place team.

In addition, we have a lot of salary coming off the books this year.

Yeah, us and 23 other teams in the league. There's a large pool of teams out there doing bidding as well.


I look at teams around the league, we are a league away from being a competitive thread to the contenders of the league; being a dark horse is a distant shadow. At best, we're a pipsqueek threat to make the playoffs, riding on the hope that teams will underestimate us in the playoffs and we can get through a round before the rest of the league finds out they make have to take the Flames semi-seriously. The good teams are the ones that everyone else marks on their calendar as a bench mark - that used to be us. Listen to the interviews - nobody does that even more.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

What a joke. Iginla is nothing like Sundin. Until he ditches his team to play with the Canucks, that comparison is an insult.

He was a FA how did he ditch his team?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Captain_Obvious

This sentiment seems to be really prevalent on this board and I'm not sure why.

This is not a good team right now and not many expected to be.

There's been an injection of youth, we look like we're going to draft very high in a deep draft, and we have assets to sell off at the deadline.

In addition, we have a lot of salary coming off the books this year.

That sounds like the right direction to me in the big picture. In the small picture of this season, we're not heading in the "right" direction in terms of making the playoffs, but I'm at a loss why that notion hasn't been dispelled for some people around here.

It's like there's shock and outrage when we keep losing.

In the big picture, we have a lot of young bright spots, we have some assets that can be sold off at the deadline, we'll draft high, and we have a ton of salary to throw around in free agency this summer.

It just takes a bit of perspective.

I think the people saying it is heading in the wrong direction are saying that because it looks like we're doing a partial rebuild. Which we've seen completely fail in the past. It is better to be horrible and get the top 3 pick, than be below average and get a pick in the 7-13 range. There is often a huge difference there and the chance of getting a franchise player is much better in the draft if you pick top 3-5. You typically aren't going to get a Malkin/Crosby/Toews/E. Staal/Seguin/RNH/etc type of talent outside of the top 5 picks.

So keeping guys like Iginla and Kiprusoff while rebuilding may in fact somewhat sabotage our rebuild. Not only do we lose the final good years of those stars while rebuilding, but we miss out on picking a franchise player in the draft, AND we miss out on acquiring more 1st rounders and top notch prospects by trading them.

That is the perspective of some around here and I'm sure you can see the logic. We may just need one year of bottom 3 in the league to get our next franchise player. The Flames have NEVER drafted in the top 5 of the draft. It could be a player to build around.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

Iginla would command a king's ransom for sure. There's no way you deal Iginla just for the hell of it. It would have to take the right offer, from the right team that would take Iginla to a cup. I'd be embarrassed as a fan if the Flames tried to deal him to the NYI or Florida.

Saying that... look at this team right now. It's a pretty bad team, going in the wrong direction. There's a cancer of losing culture growing in this team and a feeling of apathy when they are on the ice. Its really sad, and symptomatic of the late 90's Flames. Unlike a few years ago, when the Flames are down, I don't see the leadership or the talent to rebound. I really hope Feaster knows what the hell he's doing, because the only thing sadder than Iginla beginning the first 7 years of his career missing the playoffs, is finishing the last 7 years of his career missing the playoffs... and we're 2.5/7 season there.

I would like to see Iginla get the same chance that Bourque did when he was traded to the Avs. It's highly unlikely he'll win a Cup with Calgary and i'm thinking it might be best if we could give him that chance.