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Old 11-24-2011, 05:42 PM   #41
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This statement remains as valid as ever.
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Seriously, Harper could punch us in the nuts and we'd still vote for him (one could argue that he already did - income trusts).
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Old 11-24-2011, 05:53 PM   #42
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Why would they bother? Not like they'll ever lose any seats from this city.
Yep. It's unfortunate that both Devinder Shory and Rob Anders have their seats guaranteed.
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Old 11-24-2011, 06:56 PM   #43
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You really do gotta like Nenshi. I've heard a couple flippant remarks over the past month towards him because of the Occupy Calgary mess, but the man isn't just a normal slimy politician. He has the best interest of Calgary at the forefront of his mind, and really wants to make this city as best as it can be.
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Old 11-24-2011, 06:59 PM   #44
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Yep. It's unfortunate that both Devinder Shory and Rob Anders have their seats guaranteed.
What's the matter with Devinder Shory? I live in his riding and have heard nothing bad about his work.
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Old 11-24-2011, 08:05 PM   #45
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A petition posted by Alderman Keating.

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Old 11-24-2011, 08:15 PM   #46
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This seems Jihad worthy to me...

I've emailed my MP already, a list of local MPs can be found here:

http://foundlocally.com/calgary/loca...FederalMPs.htm
A CP jihad would be very apt. This is really meaningful - we're talking about almost $450 million in rec projects: two mega rec centres 1 in Seton, 1 in the far NW up NY rocky ridge, and two others in the SE - great plains and Quarry Park. Lots of ice, lots of gyms, lots of pools, many programs. All put in jeopardy.
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Old 11-24-2011, 08:29 PM   #47
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Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Do and everyone else considers it to be "pandering to their vote base".
Don't, and we see the reaction.

Don't get me wrong. These two rec centers are definitely needed in Calgary, ice sheets especially.

Anyone think that the P3 Sports program money is going to be used for the Oilers / Flames new rinks instead?
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Old 11-24-2011, 08:42 PM   #48
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Anyone think that the P3 Sports program money is going to be used for the Oilers / Flames new rinks instead?
No - professional sports facilities didn't qualify. Now Sport infrastructure of any type has magically disappeared from their funding criteria after the announcement happened. So there are 15 categories of eligible projects now, instead of 16.

City followed P3 Canada's own rules and eligibilty requirements and was asked to apply specifically BECAUSE it was rec centres and they wanted to fund this type of project. It was unanimously approved and then someone within the Governing Conservative Party decided they didn't like it - so rejected. Waste of everyone's time and money.

I don't think anyone across Canada would have cared at all if the government helped fund a bunch of rec centres in Calgary. This wasn't some dubious Shawinigan or Muskoka project.
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Nah it says it counted you vote, I just laughed and closed the page when I saw the donation thing.
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There's no donation requirement. I just clicked back on the browser when the donation page came up. It said the vote had already been registered.
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No - professional sports facilities didn't qualify. Now Sport infrastructure of any type has magically disappeared from their funding criteria after the announcement happened. So there are 15 categories of eligible projects now, instead of 16.

City followed P3 Canada's own rules and eligibilty requirements and was asked to apply specifically BECAUSE it was rec centres and they wanted to fund this type of project. It was unanimously approved and then someone within the Governing Conservative Party decided they didn't like it - so rejected. Waste of everyone's time and money.

I don't think anyone across Canada would have cared at all if the government helped fund a bunch of rec centres in Calgary. This wasn't some dubious Shawinigan or Muskoka project.
I'd have to think there is more than meets the eye...

Then again, it isn't the first time that governments have made questionable and unintelligible decisions.
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Old 11-25-2011, 08:07 AM   #53
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Not to sound rude but...jeez thats about as much of a stretch as Ive ever heard.
Im not a big proponent of the Transfer Tax system as it now stands, inequalities with Quebec at the top of the list, but it does serve a purpose and if it is properly studied and fixed I think it is still a solid practice.
Fair enough, it's certainly a stretch. The numbers aren't reported municipally, so it's possible although not likely. I definitely mentioned it would depend how you counted revenues, which is certainly true.

As for the transfer tax system, I'm opposed to things that give people economic incentives to continue living/working in an unproductive way, and huge interprovincial transfers do that. They make it more economic for people to live in places with poor opportunities, and less economic for them to live in places with good opportunities (ie Alberta). That stifles the Alberta economy by reducing our population/labour growth.
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I have Rob Anders personal email and I sent him an email on this issue.
Me too, but I see he is busy.


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Old 11-25-2011, 09:50 AM   #55
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There's no donation requirement. I just clicked back on the browser when the donation page came up. It said the vote had already been registered.
Yeah, I realized that. You guys caught me quicker then I could read the details.
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A CP jihad would be very apt. This is really meaningful - we're talking about almost $450 million in rec projects: two mega rec centres 1 in Seton, 1 in the far NW up NY rocky ridge, and two others in the SE - great plains and Quarry Park. Lots of ice, lots of gyms, lots of pools, many programs. All put in jeopardy.
And if I don't want the government spending 450 million when they're already in a deficit...?
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Old 11-25-2011, 01:25 PM   #57
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And if I don't want the government spending 450 million when they're already in a deficit...?
1. You are assuming the government wouldn't find somewhere else to spend it instead, like on swing ridings elsewhere in Canda.
2. Even if the 450 million were to be directly returned to Canadians as tax refunds, how much of that would go to Calgary? Much less than 450 million.

We were to be getting a good deal here. I doubt these rec centres were to be in the national interest, but I'm not altruistic enough to care about that when there's tons of spending in the rest of the country that doesn't benefit us either.

Even if it's pork (and I'm not saying it is), it's OUR pork.
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Old 11-25-2011, 01:27 PM   #58
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And if I don't want the government spending 450 million when they're already in a deficit...?
The money is going to be spent one way or the other. Would you rather Calgary benefit from it, or some swing riding in the suburban GTA?

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What are Calgarians going to do, vote for the Liberals or the NDP?
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This is why governments need to get out of the granting business altogether. Yes, business.
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