So I just went a screening of Episode III...

[Calgary Flames]

It wasn't perfect, and i'm sure some of the old school fans will complain about the lack of Vader in suit screen time. But this was all about how the Sith took power, how Palpatines plans all came together.

I liked the end where Palpatine was dissapointed his apprentice was going to be weak. But when Vader destroyed the room you could see that evil smile.

[Thunderball]

Originally posted by Winsor_Pilates+May 20 2005, 12:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Winsor_Pilates @ May 20 2005, 12:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Thunderball@May 19 2005, 08:57 PM
Though I was impressed by how bad-ass R2-D2 was in this one... he didn't take crap from no one...# :P

I thought that was one of the worst parts of the movie. All of the sudden R2 has a hand, can fly, catch things, and squirt gas.
Makes no sense. R2 could have done without the Jackie Chan scene.

As for the rest of the film, I have mixed feelings. The story and plot were great, but the bad acting and terrible script finds a way to taint major scenes. I just don't get why Lucas can't see what everyone else sees. I wish I could edit this film before it was released and take out some of the stupid parts to keep the whole movie strong. [/b][/quote]
well... R2 always had an arm, the jetpacks were invented in the last movie (but also solved the question on how R2 was able to get up into the X-Wing without the crane seen in Ep 4), catching things was new, but not unreasonable (since he clearly had an arm), and logically, a repair droid would have some fuel on hand. He just found a creative use for it.

I think making him so spry is supposed to show that in the original trilogy, he's over 30 years old. Not as willing to use the jets, jump around and what-not.

[Calgary Flames]

Originally posted by Thunderball+May 20 2005, 10:56 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Thunderball @ May 20 2005, 10:56 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

I thought that was one of the worst parts of the movie. All of the sudden R2 has a hand, can fly, catch things, and squirt gas.
Makes no sense. R2 could have done without the Jackie Chan scene.

As for the rest of the film, I have mixed feelings. The story and plot were great, but the bad acting and terrible script finds a way to taint major scenes. I just don't get why Lucas can't see what everyone else sees. I wish I could edit this film before it was released and take out some of the stupid parts to keep the whole movie strong.

well... R2 always had an arm, the jetpacks were invented in the last movie (but also solved the question on how R2 was able to get up into the X-Wing without the crane seen in Ep 4), catching things was new, but not unreasonable (since he clearly had an arm), and logically, a repair droid would have some fuel on hand. He just found a creative use for it.

I think making him so spry is supposed to show that in the original trilogy, he's over 30 years old. Not as willing to use the jets, jump around and what-not. [/b][/quote]
Not to mention Anakin is a wizard a fixing droids and no doubt added in some custom parts.

Why do people not see this?

[Hakan]

I thought the R2 scene was the most sincere and best comedic moment in the entire prequel trilogy. Other attempts at humour were just plain bad. What's wrong with the R2 moment, he was there for comic relief in the OT why not now? That was a well done scene by Lucas IMO and the rest of the theatre thought so too as people were cheering after he burned those droids up.

What I don't get about those buzz droids is why they just weren't loaded with explosives?

[Winsor_Pilates]

Wow, I'm surprised everyone else seemed to like the R2 scene. To each their own I guess. I just don't think he should be doing things in Episode 3 that he didn't do in episodes 1,2,4,5 or 6. If he's gonna have new abilities such as flying and catching, and fighting with oil it should atleast be explained how he gets them. We shouldn't have to assume that Anakin "Pimped his Droid".

R2 has always been one of my favorite characters because it's so impressive how much personality and emotion we can see in him, even though he has no facial expressions or dialogue that we can understand. Personally, I think R2 already kicked enough ass without the new moves and it was another example of Lucas overdoing something for comical effect.

[Thunderball]

Originally posted by Winsor_Pilates@May 20 2005, 01:04 PM
Wow, I'm surprised everyone else seemed to like the R2 scene. To each their own I guess. I just don't think he should be doing things in Episode 3 that he didn't do in episodes 1,2,4,5 or 6. If he's gonna have new abilities such as flying and catching, and fighting with oil it should atleast be explained how he gets them. We shouldn't have to assume that Anakin "Pimped his Droid".

R2 has always been one of my favorite characters because it's so impressive how much personality and emotion we can see in him, even though he has no facial expressions or dialogue that we can understand. Personally, I think R2 already kicked enough ass without the new moves and it was another example of Lucas overdoing something for comical effect.

I thought that the jetpacks were a bit contrived in Ep 2 as well, but he has them, so it makes sense to use them again. Like I said, its logical that R2 had the oil, since he is a repair droid. I mean, he has a CO2 launcher, so why not oil from it too... Why Lucas didn't think of using it sooner is beyond me.

Aside from that, everything seemed very "R2" about his acts. Don't forget, we didn't see his "lightsaber" launcher until Return of the Jedi, and never again after that. The dude is like James Bond, he's got a gadget/tool for all occasions. Some of which are never explained... just like some of Bond's super watches.

But its your right to not like that scene, even if all of what R2 does is fairly logical. Its definitely not for everyone. As a kid, I loved R2 and always wanted him to be able to kick a bit more ass, and the inner child in me was more than satisfied.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally posted by Winsor_Pilates@May 20 2005, 07:04 PM
Wow, I'm surprised everyone else seemed to like the R2 scene. To each their own I guess. I just don't think he should be doing things in Episode 3 that he didn't do in episodes 1,2,4,5 or 6. If he's gonna have new abilities such as flying and catching, and fighting with oil it should atleast be explained how he gets them. We shouldn't have to assume that Anakin "Pimped his Droid".

R2 has always been one of my favorite characters because it's so impressive how much personality and emotion we can see in him, even though he has no facial expressions or dialogue that we can understand. Personally, I think R2 already kicked enough ass without the new moves and it was another example of Lucas overdoing something for comical effect.

wow all the R2 scene haters.........being a little too critical no??? I mean if you're gonna complain about stuff that didnt happen in 4,5, and 6 , why not complain about the light sabre fights. In the original trilogy, the light sabre battles were pretty lame in comparison to the new ones. I'm not complain about the new light sabre battles, but it would seem that some guys here would if they are whinin about R2 doin something different. Big Deal Guys, its called technology guys, moviemakers can do new and cooler stuff in comparison to 20 years.



I loved Ep3, ive seen it twice and will go again, I thought the story was great, yeah the acting was pretty bad, but so was Mark Hammil and Harrison wasnt great either. Its Star Wars, Im not goin for the acting. Fav scene of this one had to be the final light sabre battles between Sidious and Yoda and of course Obi Wan and Anakin. Fav moment was probably the part where Yoda walks into the room where the emperors guards are standing by the door, and one second later, they are both on the floor.

[MarchHare]

Saw it last night.

Overall I liked it very much; it's easily the best of the prequels, and it's certainly worthy to sit alongside the original trilogy.

Of course, there were copious amounts of utter lameness.

The "Nooooooo!" dialogue had me literally laughing out loud at how terrible it was. By far the worst part of the film.

Only slightly less bad was, "But the Sith are evil!" "From my point of view it's the Jedi who are evil!"

Lucas still can't write romantic dialogue. There was nothing as bad as the "sand' scene from AotC, but I groaned several times at some of the lines between Anakin and Padmé.

And I agree that Anakin's fall to the dark side was awfully quick. First he's all conflicted and says, "What have I done?" and then within 10 seconds he's pledging his allegiance to Palpatine.

One of the best parts of the film though, which was sorely lacking in Episode II, was that we do really get the sense that Anakin was a good man. In AotC he was nothing more than an arrogant, petulant jerk, but here he is much more dignified, humble, and noble.

So thumbs up from me, but there was some wasted potential.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally posted by MarchHare@May 22 2005, 04:55 PM
Saw it last night.

Overall I liked it very much; it's easily the best of the prequels, and it's certainly worthy to sit alongside the original trilogy.

Of course, there were copious amounts of utter lameness.

The "Nooooooo!" dialogue had me literally laughing out loud at how terrible it was. By far the worst part of the film.

Only slightly less bad was, "But the Sith are evil!" "From my point of view it's the Jedi who are evil!"

Lucas still can't write romantic dialogue. There was nothing as bad as the "sand' scene from AotC, but I groaned several times at some of the lines between Anakin and Padmé.

And I agree that Anakin's fall to the dark side was awfully quick. First he's all conflicted and says, "What have I done?" and then within 10 seconds he's pledging his allegiance to Palpatine.

One of the best parts of the film though, which was sorely lacking in Episode II, was that we do really get the sense that Anakin was a good man. In AotC he was nothing more than an arrogant, petulant jerk, but here he is much more dignified, humble, and noble.

So thumbs up from me, but there was some wasted potential.

I went last night as well, and I enjoyed it a great deal.

there were some moments of weakness.

The Noooooooo scene was a little bit overstated, and when Palpatine became the Emperor there was too much of a monster movie and not the sly politician that I've come to know and loved through the prequels. to be honest, my preferance was that he never picked up the light saber, and had managed to get rid of Mace and Yoda through some cool non fighting way.

HC I thought did a good job with the dialogue that he had, and you felt the conflict between his old self and Darth Vader, but you could see the dark side destroying his humanity.

Did I feel that his fall was to quick, sure, but I think that there were at least two really key scenes that were edited out.

1) When Obi-wan visited Padme before he left to kill Grievous was important in effect because it made Anakin fear that he was losing his wife who was his only anchor.

2) The meeting between the loyalists which included Pademe and Palpatine and Anakin which Palapatine later spun really well into a plot between the Jedi and a traitorous element in the senate.

If those go back into the movie on DVD release it will be easier to see the turn.

It was good that they did show that Anikan was a good and conflicted but naive man who wanted to do the best thing for his family and got his loyaties torn between a man who he thought of as a father, a friend who he thought was part of a plot against his father figure, and a wife that he didn't want to lose like he lost his mother.

It was also important to note that Yoda started the long fall with his whole speach about getting rid of your attachments.

In the book, when he was fighting Sideous, he realized that the Jedi had lost thier way, while they were training to fight the Sith war from a thousand years ago. the Sith had evolved and understood the Jedi and thier weaknesses, and had become better rounded to destroy the Jedi.

Thats why Leia and Luke weren't trained from infancy like the Jedi had been doing.

[Flame On]

I'm with you Captain, the Nooooooooooo scene disapointed. I wanted Vader at that point to be devoid of emotion, ready to roll with being dark and sith like.
The frankenstein like breaking from shackles irked too.
Overall though I loved it. Best of the new three and rivaled Jedi.
I loved the R2 humor points and I loved the comment about wiping the protocal droids mind. That makes their relationship in the subsequent films understandable. One doens't know what's going on, while the other has an almost predeterminded approach.
The Mace fight wasn't as big and good as I thought it would be but not bad.
One of the main things for me was that we didn't see Anakin killing any Jedi really. He turned up to the council and we saw a little clip on hologram. That's what the whole thing was about, how he turned and betrayed them, then thy use troopers to kill them all, while he goes off and kills a few helpless leaders!
Oh well, like I said some amazing visuals and apart from those niggles; which lets face it there are let downs in any of the films (dagobah drags, tattooine gets dull etc.) I really liked it.
Greivous was better than I thought would be, was concerned about him, loved his cough for some reason.
The creature Ben road was amazing.
The ground battles and starting fights were second to none.
Tied up nicely and nice that he didn't shove Chewie or Tarkin down our throats.
As for acting I couldn't see any real problems with this one unlike in the last one.

[MarchHare]

Was Tarkin even in the film at all? If so, I totally missed it.

Imdb ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0121766/ )lists him in the cast, but I don't remember him making an appearance at all. Maybe his scene was cut?

[Flame On]

Originally posted by MarchHare@May 22 2005, 11:38 AM
Was Tarkin even in the film at all? If so, I totally missed it.

Imdb ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0121766/ )lists him in the cast, but I don't remember him making an appearance at all. Maybe his scene was cut?

Right at the end, when the Emperor is looking out on the Death Star being constructed on the bridge of the Star Destroyer. Vader walks up and joins him and an officer who was speaking with him; Tarkin, walks away at his arrival. Just a likeness as a younger man.

[Calgary Flames]

I don't understand the beef's with the "nooooooo" scene. The first thing he ask's is if Padme was safe. The Emperor said he killed her in his anger... The entire reason he joined the Sith was so the both of them could live in peace. He was a pawn simple as that. His love for Padme blinded him.

Here is a quote from another forum that I agree whole heartedly with.

Like everyone else, I was a little unsure of how this was going to pan out, BUT after viewing it and thinking about what is really happening in that scene, it is perfectly acceptable. First off, we must realize that ,although JEJ is the voice, the man actually occupying the suit is the emotional and out-wordly acting Anakin Skywalker. Put his together with the facts:

-he was just surgically altered (rather painfully and almost aqainst his will as we saw) as part machine and shoved into a full body life-support suit
-he just killed hundreds of Jedi (incl. children)
-ended his friendship with Obiwan by trying to kill him
-HE killed the one person he truly loved left alive
-HE killed the mother of his child (and I am assuming he thinks the baby is also dead)
-HE killed the ENTIRE reason he even joined the darkside
-he was reluctant to even side with Sideous, but ONLY did so knowing he could save Padme, only to find out IMMEDIATELY after pledging his loyalty that "only one had the power to create life", NOT his new master

To this end, I say that the quick to act and quick to emote Anakin we have been watching grow up since TPM, AOTC, The CWC, and the novels would have indeed screamed "NOOOOOOOO". I do think he should have fallen to his knees first though to add that extra emotion.

As far his coming off of the table and being awkward, the guys JUST had two mechanical legs inserted into his knees after almost dying on an ash beach of fire. I thought this scene would be alluded to the fact that it takes place over atleast a few days, but I got the impression that it was a single day. So I can TOTALLY buy his stunbling to walk. He was 20 years to learn to be smooth and steady.

[MarchHare]

I don't have a problem at all with Vader yelling, "Nooooooo!" It's just that the delivery of that line was so very, very, very lame.

It's like 1000 times worse than Shatner screaming, "Khaaaaaaan!"

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally posted by MarchHare@May 22 2005, 07:02 PM
I don't have a problem at all with Vader yelling, "Nooooooo!" It's just that the delivery of that line was so very, very, very lame.

It's like 1000 times worse than Shatner screaming, "Khaaaaaaan!"

One thing that I really liked was the lowering of the mask, and the eye's turn on and Anikan's eye's pop open as they see it coming towards him, loved that part, and when he was screaming in pain as the droids worked him over, it really made me buy into the fact that he was suffering for the rest of his life.

I don't have a problem with the context of the "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" scene, just how he executed it, and not his stumbling around, but the way that HC emoted it.

I think him dropping to his knee's and screaming it, then Palpatine comes up behind him and puts his hand on Vaders shoulder as we fade to the funeral would have been cool.

It just would have played up Palpatine's insincerity and his ownership of Vader

Just my 2 cents

[MarchHare]

Originally posted by Flame On+May 22 2005, 12:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Flame On @ May 22 2005, 12:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-MarchHare@May 22 2005, 11:38 AM
Was Tarkin even in the film at all? If so, I totally missed it.

Imdb ( http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0121766/ )lists him in the cast, but I don't remember him making an appearance at all. Maybe his scene was cut?

Right at the end, when the Emperor is looking out on the Death Star being constructed on the bridge of the Star Destroyer. Vader walks up and joins him and an officer who was speaking with him; Tarkin, walks away at his arrival. Just a likeness as a younger man. [/b][/quote]
Is there anything in the film to indicate that's Tarkin, rather than Random Imperial Officer #141535?

[Flame On]

I understand the reasons but I just think it would've been better to go another way.
Direct it so that it shows how Vader has been through such sadness and trauma that he's shut off, internalized himself. All that's left is hatred and evil not one last outburst. Hard to explain, kind of like how an abused child might end up being a sociopath. Though I'm no expert.

[Calgary Flames]

Originally posted by MarchHare+May 22 2005, 01:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (MarchHare @ May 22 2005, 01:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Right at the end, when the Emperor is looking out on the Death Star being constructed on the bridge of the Star Destroyer. Vader walks up and joins him and an officer who was speaking with him; Tarkin, walks away at his arrival. Just a likeness as a younger man.

Is there anything in the film to indicate that's Tarkin, rather than Random Imperial Officer #141535? [/b][/quote]
No, it is most definetely him. Trust this Star Wars nerd.

[Flame On]

Originally posted by Calgary Flames+May 22 2005, 12:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Calgary Flames @ May 22 2005, 12:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Is there anything in the film to indicate that's Tarkin, rather than Random Imperial Officer #141535?

No, it is most definetely him. Trust this Star Wars nerd. [/b][/quote]
Speaking of nerds. I saw it on wednesday from the Sun's biggest fan ever competition. That Badlands squadron was there along with a lot of other dress ups. I consider myself a geek with this stuff, I've got a huge collection so I couldn't really consider myself anything but. However I am glad there are degrees.
As I sat there and some guy in a Jedi outfit is behind me with his girlfriend that seriously coulda given Jabba run for his money, he's complaining and says "I need to empty out my boots" and his girl says "boots a bit sweaty dear"! Talk about socially unaware, perhaps don't discuss stuff like that in street level voices. I also didn't need to hear multiple times she needs to pee. Just thought it was funny.

[MarchHare]

Originally posted by Calgary Flames+May 22 2005, 01:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Calgary Flames @ May 22 2005, 01:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>

Is there anything in the film to indicate that's Tarkin, rather than Random Imperial Officer #141535?

No, it is most definetely him. Trust this Star Wars nerd. [/b][/quote]
Yeah, but how does the viewer know that?

I'm as big a Star Wars fanboy as anyone. I had heard before that Tarkin was making an appearance in this film, so I was on the lookout for him. If it went over my head, 99.9% of the film's viewers are not going to make the connection between "that officer on the bridge with Palpatine and Vader" and "that officer who bossed Vader around on the Death Star".