Woman Drivers

[Phanuthier]

My short 2-cents... as hulkrogan said, if I were him, I'd be f-ing p*ssed. BUT... I'd probably just be randomly swearing, swearing at her... maybe not. But thats probably because I'm not that type of guy.

All I can say is... good luck with everything. Sounds like one shinguardty deal you got today, and I hope everything works out.

[TheCommodoreAfro]

Originally posted by berkshire9@May 19 2005, 01:22 PM
UPDATE:

I went and got an estimate today on the car and it is just under $16,000. My insurance company is going to have nothing to do with it unless I have an issue with hers. She has admitted to her insurance company that she was in the wrong...this is according to my insurance company.

24 hours later, I have had the chance to reflect and I am just glad it was my car and not my 8 year old son or any of his friends. I am new to this area and my next door neighbor said this couple have had the police at their house on different occasions...no one knows why....maybe violence?????????

I still think she is an idiot and I hope.....ummm....she moves!!!!

24 hour rule.

Always apply the 24 hour rule.

[Looger]

Originally posted by Agamemnon@May 19 2005, 12:03 AM
Negligence in a car is attempted murder.

So when you find someone committing this action against you, you pull behind them and hound them? Have you actually changed bad drivers into good this way? Or do you do this to make yourself feel better? I can't believe you'd let someone who cut you off affect you so deeply that you'd feel the need to 'let them know how you feel'.

There are good drivers and bad, if you think most people aren't up to snuff, blame driver's ed/license regulation. Being p*ssed won't change someone into a better driver.

I don't think I've ever used my horn in anger, irritation, or to 'let someone know' how I feel. I drive in the same traffic you do (if you're in Calgary). That's not 'defensive driving', that's 'offensive driving'.

I sure hope I never 'cross' you on the road.

have i changed bad drivers to good?

probably not. but i tried.

we're not talking aboot small incidents, i grew up in bc and learned to drive in prince george, truckloads of drunks swerve around trying to run people off the roads.

people still comment that i look both ways while crossing one-ways, there is a reason for that.

last year i had a girl and her boyfriend tailgate me, nascar-style, for over a half a mile - lane changes, even a turn.

so i hit the brakes, they hit me.

they took off and i chased them down.

they weren't too happy to see me at their house, but i made sure i got my point across.

the driver, a young girl, was in tears.

if you're intelligent enough not to drive like an idiot you'll never 'cross' anyone on the road.

but tailgate people and see what happens.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally posted by Looger+May 19 2005, 08:31 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Looger @ May 19 2005, 08:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Agamemnon@May 19 2005, 12:03 AM
Negligence in a car is attempted murder.

So when you find someone committing this action against you, you pull behind them and hound them? Have you actually changed bad drivers into good this way? Or do you do this to make yourself feel better? I can't believe you'd let someone who cut you off affect you so deeply that you'd feel the need to 'let them know how you feel'.

There are good drivers and bad, if you think most people aren't up to snuff, blame driver's ed/license regulation. Being p*ssed won't change someone into a better driver.

I don't think I've ever used my horn in anger, irritation, or to 'let someone know' how I feel. I drive in the same traffic you do (if you're in Calgary). That's not 'defensive driving', that's 'offensive driving'.

I sure hope I never 'cross' you on the road.

have i changed bad drivers to good?

probably not. but i tried.

we're not talking aboot small incidents, i grew up in bc and learned to drive in prince george, truckloads of drunks swerve around trying to run people off the roads.

people still comment that i look both ways while crossing one-ways, there is a reason for that.

last year i had a girl and her boyfriend tailgate me, nascar-style, for over a half a mile - lane changes, even a turn.

so i hit the brakes, they hit me.

they took off and i chased them down.

they weren't too happy to see me at their house, but i made sure i got my point across.

the driver, a young girl, was in tears.

if you're intelligent enough not to drive like an idiot you'll never 'cross' anyone on the road.

but tailgate people and see what happens. [/b][/quote]
Drive like an idiot eh?
Like intentionally causing an accident when you could have just slowed down or pulled over to get the person to pass.

So if negligence is akin to attempted murder, what do you consider willfully endangering people to be?

Kettle, I'd like you to meet my friend pot.

[Eddie Bronze]

You're right about women drivers my friend. I got rear-ended by one who was following way too close yesterday, then she got rear-ended and the force of the third! car rear-ending sent me into the car in front of me. I wonder how much it'll cost to get both bumpers and my hood replaced? I'm betting it's gonna be a write off.

[Looger]

Originally posted by Bring_Back_Shantz@May 19 2005, 02:36 PM
Drive like an idiot eh?
Like intentionally causing an accident when you could have just slowed down or pulled over to get the person to pass.

So if negligence is akin to attempted murder, what do you consider willfully endangering people to be?

Kettle, I'd like you to meet my friend pot.

hey, try driving in an everyday environment where people tailgate you BAD for no reason.

on the deerfoot people are a little close, which irks me.

but with no other cars on the road this chick and her boyfriend decided to mess with me.

hey, i slowed down.

tailgaters are 100% responsible, ALL THE TIME.

willfully endangering?

they're just lucky they caught me in a good mood.

they crossed the line. i crossed back.

don't like it?

don't cross the line.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally posted by Looger+May 19 2005, 08:49 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Looger @ May 19 2005, 08:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Bring_Back_Shantz@May 19 2005, 02:36 PM
Drive like an idiot eh?
Like intentionally causing an accident when you could have just slowed down or pulled over to get the person to pass.

So if negligence is akin to attempted murder, what do you consider willfully endangering people to be?

Kettle, I'd like you to meet my friend pot.

hey, try driving in an everyday environment where people tailgate you BAD for no reason.

on the deerfoot people are a little close, which irks me.

but with no other cars on the road this chick and her boyfriend decided to mess with me.

hey, i slowed down.

tailgaters are 100% responsible, ALL THE TIME.

willfully endangering?

they're just lucky they caught me in a good mood.

they crossed the line. i crossed back.

don't like it?

don't cross the line. [/b][/quote]
Yes willfully endangering.
Someone is following too close so you slam on the brakes knowing full well that they probably will (and in fact did) hit you. You could have been reasonable and pulled over, then tracked them down and yelled at them if you thought it was necessary, but intentionally causing an accident, yeah, that is totally a great thing to do because you hate tailgaters.

And if intentionally causing an accident is your idea of a good mood, I'd really hate to see you in a bad mood.

Yelling at someone because they hit you is one thing. Purposefully causing someone to hit you so that you can chase them down and yell at them is just freakin' STUPID.

[Looger]

Originally posted by Bring_Back_Shantz@May 19 2005, 03:04 PM
Yes willfully endangering.
Someone is following too close so you slam on the brakes knowing full well that they probably will (and in fact did) hit you. You could have been reasonable and pulled over, then tracked them down and yelled at them if you thought it was necessary, but intentionally causing an accident, yeah, that is totally a great thing to do because you hate tailgaters.

And if intentionally causing an accident is your idea of a good mood, I'd really hate to see you in a bad mood.

Yelling at someone because they hit you is one thing. Purposefully causing someone to hit you so that you can chase them down and yell at them is just freakin' STUPID.

well,

mehopes you never have to live in north or backwater bc,

the character here is so low that low-lifes mess with others they perceive as weak, for no reason. in the bars, on the roads, they're warriors, man.

i mean hey, it's not like they have jobs or reputations to lose.

they just have to check on their grow-ops every few weeks, and run into town to get their welfare. pretty open schedule, gives people lots of time to get into trouble.

Purposefully causing someone to hit you

what if i stopped because an animal or pedestrian crossed my path?

i stopped because i DAMN WELL WANTED TO.

if they're following too close that's tough luck.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally posted by Looger+May 19 2005, 09:23 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Looger @ May 19 2005, 09:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Bring_Back_Shantz@May 19 2005, 03:04 PM
Yes willfully endangering.
Someone is following too close so you slam on the brakes knowing full well that they probably will (and in fact did) hit you. You could have been reasonable and pulled over, then tracked them down and yelled at them if you thought it was necessary, but intentionally causing an accident, yeah, that is totally a great thing to do because you hate tailgaters.

And if intentionally causing an accident is your idea of a good mood, I'd really hate to see you in a bad mood.

Yelling at someone because they hit you is one thing. Purposefully causing someone to hit you so that you can chase them down and yell at them is just freakin' STUPID.

well,

mehopes you never have to live in north or backwater bc,

the character here is so low that low-lifes mess with others they perceive as weak, for no reason. in the bars, on the roads, they're warriors, man.

i mean hey, it's not like they have jobs or reputations to lose.

they just have to check on their grow-ops every few weeks, and run into town to get their welfare. pretty open schedule, gives people lots of time to get into trouble.

Purposefully causing someone to hit you

what if i stopped because an animal or pedestrian crossed my path?

i stopped because i DAMN WELL WANTED TO.

if they're following too close that's tough luck. [/b][/quote]
Ironic that the guy who intentionally caused a young girl to hit him, then chased her down (which I would have done too had she hit me and run away, though it likely wouldn't have been because I tried to get her to do it) when the situation could have been resolved by simply pulling over, defends himself by saying that there are a lot of low-lifes that mess with others that they precieve as weak (kinda like a young girl?). Maybe she was just a crappy driver, who didn't know how to keep her distance.

You honest think that a yong girl was tailgating you becaue she precieved you as weak, and you had to defend yourself?

And sure, if she hit you because you hit the brakes for an animal that is one thing, but you did it intentionally, and not as you say because you wanted to stop, sounds more to me like you wanted to get hit. BIG DIFFERENCE.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally posted by BaronInEdmonton@May 19 2005, 12:06 AM
If someone hit your car, new or not, your going to get mad. Your just supposed to take that? Forget that. Be honest with that idiot and let them know how you feel.

Actually getting mad is a choice you make. It's a subconcious choice for most because they aren't in control of their feelings. But you can choose how you react, you can take a minute and calm yourself down, you can change your mindset.

Most people put themselves on "feelings" autopilot but we can choose not to.

Who do you respect more? The person who flies off the handle or the person who remains calm and dispassionate when faced with adversity?

[Bill Bumface]

Originally posted by Bring_Back_Shantz@May 19 2005, 09:04 AM
Yes willfully endangering.
Someone is following too close so you slam on the brakes knowing full well that they probably will (and in fact did) hit you. You could have been reasonable and pulled over, then tracked them down and yelled at them if you thought it was necessary, but intentionally causing an accident, yeah, that is totally a great thing to do because you hate tailgaters.

And if intentionally causing an accident is your idea of a good mood, I'd really hate to see you in a bad mood.

Yelling at someone because they hit you is one thing. Purposefully causing someone to hit you so that you can chase them down and yell at them is just freakin' STUPID.

I disagree, if I'm not putting mysef in any danger and some jack ass is 3 feet off my bumper and I don't care too much for my car, you can bet they'll see a flash of brakelights before they eat bumper.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally posted by hulkrogan+May 19 2005, 10:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (hulkrogan @ May 19 2005, 10:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Bring_Back_Shantz@May 19 2005, 09:04 AM
Yes willfully endangering.
Someone is following too close so you slam on the brakes knowing full well that they probably will (and in fact did) hit you. You could have been reasonable and pulled over, then tracked them down and yelled at them if you thought it was necessary, but intentionally causing an accident, yeah, that is totally a great thing to do because you hate tailgaters.

And if intentionally causing an accident is your idea of a good mood, I'd really hate to see you in a bad mood.

Yelling at someone because they hit you is one thing. Purposefully causing someone to hit you so that you can chase them down and yell at them is just freakin' STUPID.

I disagree, if I'm not putting mysef in any danger and some jack ass is 3 feet off my bumper and I don't care too much for my car, you can bet they'll see a flash of brakelights before they eat bumper. [/b][/quote]
I don't know man, that is a great example of two wrongs don't make a right. What if the guy tailgating you swerves and goes into oncommimg traffic? What if he tries to swerve and sideswipes someone else who runs off the road and hits a pedestrian? What if he hits you and you skid into another lane?

Sure, what he is doing is dangerous, but by slamming on the brakes you are creating another (probably worse) danger, when you could have just pulled over and gotten rid of the problem.

I'm not debating that the guy doing the tailgating isn't a jerk, but by hitting the brakes so he hits you, you are probably the bigger/more dangerous jerk.

[Looger]

Originally posted by Bring_Back_Shantz@May 19 2005, 04:00 PM
Ironic that the guy who intentionally caused a young girl to hit him, then chased her down (which I would have done too had she hit me and run away, though it likely wouldn't have been because I tried to get her to do it) when the situation could have been resolved by simply pulling over, defends himself by saying that there are a lot of low-lifes that mess with others that they precieve as weak (kinda like a young girl?). Maybe she was just a crappy driver, who didn't know how to keep her distance.

You honest think that a yong girl was tailgating you becaue she precieved you as weak, and you had to defend yourself?

And sure, if she hit you because you hit the brakes for an animal that is one thing, but you did it intentionally, and not as you say because you wanted to stop, sounds more to me like you wanted to get hit. BIG DIFFERENCE.

who messed with whom first?

let me tell you, if it hadn't been a young girl behind the wheel, a hell of a lot more would have happened to that driver.

and she wasn't just a 'crappy driver, who didn't know how to keep her distance'.

they were playing games with me on the road.

playing games with my life.

not all of us live in the alberta ivory tower. i was there for eight or so years, things like this just don't happen as regularly there.

who knows why she did it, and who cares. her own motivations are quite meaningless. this province is full of people that literally have nothing better to do than cause trouble.

every low-life here is a 'made man' - they've got that biker buddy that looks out for them or sets them up in a grow-op or whatever. people have the attitude that they can screw with others.

NO DIFFERENCE

tailgating is tailgating. my reasons for stopping are not her business.

i understand where you're coming from, Bring_Back_Shantz, but until you're in the situation yourself, reserve judgement.

i completely disagree with you. please don't take it personally.

[Looger]

Originally posted by Bring_Back_Shantz@May 19 2005, 04:35 PM
I'm not debating that the guy doing the tailgating isn't a jerk, but by hitting the brakes so he hits you, you are probably the bigger/more dangerous jerk.

yep, that's the way to handle things, let people play games with your life.

why do people insist on blaming the retaliation? this attitude leads to more agression.

nip the problem at the source, take care of people and situations that are out of line.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

I've been tailgated plenty of times, and I have yet to slam on the brakes to intentionally try to cause an accident.

And it seems like a real smart idea to intentionally cause an accident with someone who has a big drug dealing biker friend to back her up (because I bet you're not exagerating that part a bit).

And your reason for stopping is the business of everone on the road. what she was doing is dangerous, but you did nothing to fix the problem (something that was completely in your power, ie pulling over), but instead chose the make the problem worse and create the potential for more accidents. In my opinion, what you did is way worse than what she did.

[Looger]

Originally posted by Bring_Back_Shantz@May 19 2005, 04:57 PM
I've been tailgated plenty of times, and I have yet to slam on the brakes to intentionally try to cause an accident.

And it seems like a real smart idea to intentionally cause an accident with someone who has a big drug dealing biker friend to back her up (because I bet you're not exagerating that part a bit).

And your reason for stopping is the business of everone on the road. what she was doing is dangerous, but you did nothing to fix the problem (something that was completely in your power, ie pulling over), but instead chose the make the problem worse and create the potential for more accidents. In my opinion, what you did is way worse than what she did.

i get tailgated all the time. it's bad driving 101, and every time i'm on the #2 i realize it's a sport.

what i'm telling you is that there's a difference between that and someone _glued_ to you.

oh yeah, i interviewed this girl's friends weeks before to make sure her biker story checked out. give your head a shake man.

it's the attitude that's pervasive here, that's the problem. the actual existence of the 'biker buddy' is usually pretty dubious anyway. people act AS IF. everyone's a hero here.

i will continue to disagree with your idea of responsibility on the road, right to the gates of hell.

if you're on someone's ass, regardless of anything else, it is all your fault. every time. all the time.

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally posted by Looger+May 19 2005, 10:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Looger @ May 19 2005, 10:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Bring_Back_Shantz@May 19 2005, 04:35 PM
I'm not debating that the guy doing the tailgating isn't a jerk, but by hitting the brakes so he hits you, you are probably the bigger/more dangerous jerk.

yep, that's the way to handle things, let people play games with your life.

why do people insist on blaming the retaliation? this attitude leads to more agression.

nip the problem at the source, take care of people and situations that are out of line. [/b][/quote]
Let people play games with your life? That's the worste excuse I've ever heard.

By pulling over you are stopping them from playing games with your life.

Besides, if they are tailgating you, what's the worst that could happen in this game of life and death that you are so concerned about? Let's see, you could have to suddenly slam on your brakes and they could hit you. Well it seems to me that you did everyting in your power to make sure that happened, so don't give me the playing with your life arguement. They were being jerks and doing something dangerous so instead of doing the mature thing, you acted like an idiot and put more people in danger.

Yeah, the "I'll teach this @$$hole a lesson" theory on life is a real good way to go around living. I'm sure these people learned their lessons along with all the other idiots you have fixed with your methods. Now if only you could fix yourself.

[photon]

The last time I was involved with a hit from behind accident the police started asking all kinds of questions like "how fast were you going, what colour was the light, how far away were the cars in front of you, etc". I said that I thought if someone was hit from behind it was always the other person's fault for following too close. They said no it isn't always that way and gave the example if I slammed my breaks on for no reason in the middle of the open road then I could be found partially or fully at fault in an accident depending on how closely the other person was following.

Following too close increases the risk of an accident but slamming on the brakes in the middle of an open road is a deliberate act to cause an accident, worse in my opinion.

Jaywalking is illegal too and endangers the lives of drivers.. next time I'll just mow them down, they need to be taught a lesson.

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by photon@May 19 2005, 06:18 PM
The last time I was involved with a hit from behind accident the police started asking all kinds of questions like "how fast were you going, what colour was the light, how far away were the cars in front of you, etc". I said that I thought if someone was hit from behind it was always the other person's fault for following too close. They said no it isn't always that way and gave the example if I slammed my breaks on for no reason in the middle of the open road then I could be found partially or fully at fault in an accident depending on how closely the other person was following.

Following too close increases the risk of an accident but slamming on the brakes in the middle of an open road is a deliberate act to cause an accident, worse in my opinion.

Jaywalking is illegal too and endangers the lives of drivers.. next time I'll just mow them down, they need to be taught a lesson.

Makes perfect sense.

What if the person in front has no brake-lights? They brake hard, person behind doesn't see any lights, and they run right into them. Good example that the person hitting someone else from behind isn't _always_ at fault.

If you're driving w/ no brake-lights, and someone rear ends you, you might be screwed.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally posted by photon@May 19 2005, 12:18 PM
Jaywalking is illegal too and endangers the lives of drivers.. next time I'll just mow them down, they need to be taught a lesson.

Yes, which is why when the drunken idiot homeless people walk out into the middle of a street downtown with cars coming I don't slow down unless absolutely necessary. I always leave myself enough of a margin to make sure if they are truly that big of a dumbass that they will stand infront of a car doing 50km/h and not try get out of the way I can avoid the hassle of filling out the police report for doing my Darwinian duty. Some people are dumb and just continue to be dumb until they are shown the potential outcomes of their actions. Thats why I will cut off these jackass jaywalkers, and I will brake check people who are following me rediculously close. I've never had anyone rear end me, but I have forced people to slam on their breaks to avoid an accident. Odd how they don't follow that close anymore after...