Al-Qaeda tells Iran to stop with their "ridiculous" anti-American conspiracy theories

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Canuck-Hater

People always lose sight of this. Its a well known FACT that the United States Government funded Al-Qaeda. We already know the US has sold weapons to OBL on numerous occasions. I find it very interesting that the US government and Al Qaeda share the same rhetoric on so-called "outrageous conspiracy theorists".

Why do you find it interesting?

I find it fairly obvious that Iran is competing for the same individuals that Al-Qaeda is competing for. Namely, impressionable young Muslims that are looking for a group or organization to look up to, follow, and gain a modicum of self-respect from.

Iran has been looking to be the leader of the Muslim world for quite some time now, and have been making many friends and enemies in the Mid-East in their attempt to expand their sphere of influence and interfere with Arab affairs. Their bombastic rhetoric is basically the same as Al-Qaeda's for a reason (this is the part that is interesting). America is the devil, yadda yadda yadda. It's not because it's any sort of conspiracy, but because they're competing for the exact same demographic.

This is Al-Qaeda's turf. They have been working for a long time at being the organization these Muslims look to for leadership. You believe they want to relinquish this position to a country like Iran, that is, basically, while still being Muslim, everything Al-Qaeda despises in a nation?

The shared rhetoric on conspiracies between the USA and Al-Qaeda isn't interesting unless you concoct an outrageous story to try and make it so. As a matter of fact, I have the same rhetoric on this issue too -- do you think I'm a secret American slash terrorist agent because of it?

[HPLovecraft]

Originally Posted by Canuck-Hater

You do realize science confirmed that there was residue was in the dust right? These dust samples were collected at ground zero. I know the establishment media will come up with every excuse in the book to discredit reality. But wait nope a scientist with 30 years experience is clearly a "crazy conspiracy theorist"

Of course there was residue. Do you know what thermite is?

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by Canuck-Hater

You do realize science confirmed that there was residue was in the dust right? These dust samples were collected at ground zero. I know the establishment media will come up with every excuse in the book to discredit reality. But wait nope a scientist with 30 years experience is clearly a "crazy conspiracy theorist"

yeah, and again I say, do you honestly think that thermite is the ONLY explanation for finding aluminum and iron oxide in the dust of a 30 year old steel building that was hit by a big ass aluminum airplane?

What seems more likely, that aluminum and rust came from the remnants of a rusty building and a couple tons a aluminum that hit at at a couple hundred miles an hour, or thermite.

Not to mention that something like a thermal lance, which is a piece of equipment they undoubtedly used for slavage/rescue, is pretty much the exact same reaction as thermite, and would be something I'd totally exptect to see being used at ground zero.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Canuck-Hater

People always lose sight of this. Its a well known FACT that the United States Government funded Al-Qaeda. We already know the US has sold weapons to OBL on numerous occasions. I find it very interesting that the US government and Al Qaeda share the same rhetoric on so-called "outrageous conspiracy theorists".

You have the facts completely screwed up unless your completely willing to back it up with something substantial.

The U.S. didn't fund Al-Queda, show me something to change their mind.

Please show me where the U.S. sold weapons to OBL.

The U.S. did fund the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan when they were fighting the Soviet, however they funded the Afghan Mujahadeen, they did not fund the foreign based Mujahadeen who received their funding through charity funds, and through various groups in Saudi Arabia. And to continue that OBL in interviews with Peter Bergen stated that they wouldn't take money from the American's or the CIA because it would sully their cause, which was to defeat the Russians in Afghanistan and force the Western powers out of the Middle East.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Canuck-Hater

You do realize science confirmed that there was residue was in the dust right? These dust samples were collected at ground zero. I know the establishment media will come up with every excuse in the book to discredit reality. But wait nope a scientist with 30 years experience is clearly a "crazy conspiracy theorist"

So your willing to ignore the fact that the dust evidence that the tests were run on were not tested for 6 years were not kept in a sterile environment and were exposed to oxygen, and moisture and other elements.

You ignored the entire part of my post where I stated that there were massive quantities of aluminum in the WTC buildings and there were also massive quantities of steel which would more then likely lead to aluminum and oxides.

You also ignored your own scientists paper where he states that it could be the remnants of nano thermite but he's never really seen it and has nothing to compare it to.

Then he basically debunks his own theory by switching to using small quantities of thermite as a detonator and 100's of tons of conventional explosives.

And yes, your scientist is crazy, while he claims that he got his work peer reviewed, he got it reviewed by other conspiracy theorists not un objective peers.

Then he goes on to make theories about building security and the lack of explosive sniffing dogs in the buildings for days before the world trade center.

so to summarize.

There was residue on the debris, but the debris was more then likely contaminated by 6 years of exposure in peoples homes.

He theorizes that the residue was caused by Nano Thermite, but he's never seen or worked or is able to compare to nano thermite

He changed his theory to thermite as a trigger and 100's of tons of conventional explosives, and that kills his theory about the amount of residue with the dust because the quantity of residue is to large.

He makes theories about building security to match his theory even though the man knows nothing about demolitions or building security, he's a chemist.

The establishment media doesn't need to discredit him, he manages to do it himself with shoddy methods and logical leaps that would boggle the mind of a crack addict on a 10 day bender.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

So what?

It doesn't matter what combination of explosive or incindiery materials were used, either way the culprits had to have access to the buildings. Whether it was one stick of dynamite or a truck load of thermite and C4...this needs to be investigated.

Of course Neils Harrit included those comments in his report of possible error, every good scientist does that. It wasn't just the presence of those materials in the dust, but the way the particles were arranged in the little chips. It was not a mechanical mixture, but arranged in a very specific way, done in a labratory. The NIST report by the way, did not test any dust samples........does that sound like proper investigative procedure? ...not to mention CDI shipping 90+% of the steel to China almost immediately.

I don't know why you stand behind the official story when the very commission panel who investigated 9-11 doesn't stand by it. It's unbelievable...

Maybe watch a video interview with Harrit, he is very adamant that something is wrong. It is just so easy to pick a few points out of a comprehensive report while glossing over the stuff you are never going to change your mind on anyways...

And about Al-Qaeda in Libya, ...forgive me, just substitute "America" with "NATO". But you and I both know who runs that show.

...I'm out hockey's on!

A once again, Harrit doesn't just report his errors, he plainly states that he's never seen thermite, nanothermite in its natural or residue burned off stage so he's making a guess, on residue and dust that was not contained in a sterile environment and was exposed to moisture and the elements for an extended period of time.

As much as you bitch about the shoddy investigation methods of the U.S. government and Nist etc, you're sure willing to accept the same from your side as long as it confirms your theory.

Frankly you keep hanging your hat on the commission members not backing the 9/11 commission report, but what they're saying and their criticisms are a long way from alluding to a false flag or inside job.

The criticisms by the co chairs were that they weren't given enough time or money to take the commission to proper conclusions, they criticized that some agencies stonewalled and were protective of their own agenda.

However non of the self criticism that I read screams that the commission believes or were anywhere near reaching a conclusion based on evidence that the U.S. was involved in 9/11

Again, I want solid proof that America is directly involved in funding al Queda in Libya.

I want solid proof that Al Queda was funded by the U.S. directly.

I want you to prove to me that the U.S. funded or armed the foreign Muhahadeen in AFghanistan during the Afghan Soviet War.

[CaptainCrunch]

Any ways, I'm pretty much done here, all thats happening is recycling the same thing over and over again, and I'm tired of having to continually go back and research and pull books out of my basement.

I just can't compete with someone who pulls up garbage by Alex Jones or Dylan Avery with ominous voices, edited quotes etc and screams at me that its proof.

I'm done here.

[Thor]

Valiant effort CC.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Thor

Valiant effort CC.

Yeah, "pearls before swine" is the applicable Russian proverb in this situation...

[Fozzie_DeBear]

"Never argue with idiots...they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"

And nothing personal...but thinking that the two massive aircraft weren't responsible for destroying the WTC is idiotic....really...give your head a shake.

[burn_this_city]

Folks, hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it doesnt look like there will be any additional issues of Inspire..

http://www.cnn.com/2011/09/30/world/...html?hpt=hp_t2

I'm glad they bagged both of them in one strike.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by oilers_fan

Ozy_Flame, are you still reading this thread?

I poked my head in to see if any discussion was had about Anwar al-Awlaki and I saw this . . . What's up?

[blankall]

This whole situation reminds me of a line from the "the Believer". In reference to a bunch of nazis denying the holocaust:

If the holocaust never happened, then why are people making such a big deal out of Hitler?

Same thing here. If islamists were not responsible for 9/11, why do so many of them praise 9/11 and Al Queda?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

yeah, and again I say, do you honestly think that thermite is the ONLY explanation for finding aluminum and iron oxide in the dust of a 30 year old steel building that was hit by a big ass aluminum airplane?

What seems more likely, that aluminum and rust came from the remnants of a rusty building and a couple tons a aluminum that hit at at a couple hundred miles an hour, or thermite.

Not to mention that something like a thermal lance, which is a piece of equipment they undoubtedly used for slavage/rescue, is pretty much the exact same reaction as thermite, and would be something I'd totally exptect to see being used at ground zero.

The building exterior cladding was also aluminum.