09-21-2011, 02:38 PM
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So Valo, what you're saying is that if I go on a tri state killing spree and there's no question that I did it, I should try to hire the worst lawyer ever in order to hedge my bets.
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09-21-2011, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by valo403
DNA evidence and an ineffective assistance of counsel claim aren't at all related. An ineffective assistance claim goes to things like not objecting to a jury instruction that is clearly outside of the guidelines, not introducing evidence that clearly should have been introduced, not objecting to a question that was clearly barred etc. A failure to object to, or introduce DNA evidence could be ineffective assistance, but that's about as far as the tie goes.
I should add that a successful ineffective assistance claim is very rare. We're talking Lionel Hutz on his worst day level screw ups here.
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Worse than violating Attorney/Dumpster confidentiality?
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09-21-2011, 02:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
So Valo, what you're saying is that if I go on a tri state killing spree and there's no question that I did it, I should try to hire the worst lawyer ever in order to hedge my bets.
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Sadly the worst lawyers are often the ones appointed by the court, not because they're bad lawyers, but because they have more cases they can handle, a salary that the building janitor pities and a mountain of debt on their shoulders. The life of a public defender can be pretty tough.
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09-21-2011, 07:10 PM
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It's times like this being an Atheist sucks. I honestly wish that I could believe he was going to hell.
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To be fair by the definition of Atheism you're still allowed to believe in a hell.
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09-21-2011, 09:14 PM
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Olsen lived pretty close(within a block) to where my cousins grew up. He offered to pay two of them to wash his windows. They asked my Aunt if they could but, she wouldn't let them because she thought he was offering too much money for the job. Thankfully that was enough for her to distrust him.
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09-22-2011, 06:30 AM
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The one thing that amuses me is that many of the people that believe in the death penalty and the system that convicts and carries out the sentence work well without question. But some of these same people believe that goverment can't do anything right.
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09-22-2011, 07:29 AM
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No physical evidence, witnesses unsure of what they saw and recanting testimony, testimony of a confession from another individual, and yet this man is murdered by the state of Georgia. Disgusting.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...20109976.shtml
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09-22-2011, 07:47 AM
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I was a young kid of 6 in the Fraser Valley when Olson was doing his killing in '81. I don't have a huge number of memories from that time but i do remember the fear everyone had. No one was letting their kids out of site. There were road blocks and trunks being checked etc...
Good riddance to the scum. Especially considering he has never once shown an iota of regret for his actions.
Can't imagine being the health care provider required to ease his pain as he dies.
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09-22-2011, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by valo403
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Should probably start a different thread on this. This is a whole different conversation, and I'm amazed at how many people are misinformed about the FACTS of the case. I'm also disgusted at how some people are making it out to be a race thing. Always gotta pull that card...
Anyway...yah..."everyone jump on the 'save Troy Davis' bandwagon."
The guy had 22 years and plenty of opportunity to prove himself innocent. Why are all these people coming forward now? Why at the last minute? Fame whores...that's why.
Next week they won't even remember him. So dumb.
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09-22-2011, 07:49 AM
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Oh, and as for Olson...FINALLY I can say cancer has done some GOOD!
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09-22-2011, 07:55 AM
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Gotta love the Sun... nice front page there!
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09-22-2011, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Red-Mile-DJ
Should probably start a different thread on this. This is a whole different conversation, and I'm amazed at how many people are misinformed about the FACTS of the case. I'm also disgusted at how some people are making it out to be a race thing. Always gotta pull that card...
Anyway...yah..."everyone jump on the 'save Troy Davis' bandwagon."
The guy had 22 years and plenty of opportunity to prove himself innocent. Why are all these people coming forward now? Why at the last minute? Fame whores...that's why.
Next week they won't even remember him. So dumb.
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Fame whores? How does recanting testimony give you fame? Please expand on that oh so intelligent argument.
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09-22-2011, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by SeeBass
The one thing that amuses me is that many of the people that believe in the death penalty and the system that convicts and carries out the sentence work well without question. But some of these same people believe that goverment can't do anything right.
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What a conundrum! People who think government can do no wrong question its ability to assess guilt.
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09-22-2011, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by HOZ
What a conundrum! People who think government can do no wrong question its ability to assess guilt.
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The government doesn't assess guilt, that's called the judiciary. They are different things.
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09-22-2011, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by valo403
The government doesn't assess guilt, that's called the judiciary. They are different things.
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They, the system, implemented by government, has chosen the jury and judge. How can they be wrong?
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09-22-2011, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by HOZ
They, the system, implemented by government, has chosen the jury and judge. How can they be wrong?
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The system implemented by government? If we're talking about the US here you lost me, because the 'system' in do far as the federal courts was implemented by the Constitution.
Btw, where did you get the idea that the government chooses the jury?
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09-22-2011, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by HOZ
What a conundrum! People who think government can do no wrong question its ability to assess guilt.
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I would rather that they question a persons quilt, that will be killed, than blindly believe in a system this one time depspite all of the claims of incompetance in numerous other circumstances.
Good luck in finding somebody who thinks the goverment "can do no wrong".
I bet a majority of the people against the execution are probably against their goverment wars too.
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09-22-2011, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
Gotta love the Sun... nice front page there!
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(and how the editor responds to letters)
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09-22-2011, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by valo403
The system implemented by government? If we're talking about the US here you lost me, because the 'system' in do far as the federal courts was implemented by the Constitution.
Btw, where did you get the idea that the government chooses the jury?
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You're getting trolled, dude.
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09-22-2011, 09:38 AM
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The death penalty by state is barbaric and should not be allowed..period.
I had an uncle who had a hand in 4 executions about 60 years ago and from what I was told it ruined his life,his marrage and his relationship with all his family. his mental health was so bad not one family member wanted to be around him...he died an angry and confused man.
######s like Olson who are undeniable should never be allowed to speak to the outside world..locked away and forgotten. Not be allowed write books and taunt the familys for decades. If they must be killed then the families of the victims should be the only people allowed to carry out a death sentence. and this is only when there apsolutley no doubt of guilt.
The case of Troy Davis last night is sickening.
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