What's an appropriate sentence for child rape?

[Displaced Flames fan]

Appropriate sentence for rape of a child is life without parole and a daily reaming of the anus with whatever crude implement is handy at the time.

[Looger]

i hate to be the one to say it but the reliability rate of criminal prosecutions being what it is, i automatically disqualify any and all permanent punishments, such as death, castration, encouraged sexual abuse, etc.

canada's justice system is a complete and total mess in my opinion, i have personally seen some serious abuse of the system.

to think there are countries far worse than us at this stuff, is positively bone-chilling.

how's israel's record? i'm not sure, but they do have a lot of former russian mafia types running around, and a lot of corruption in their government. what this means to their criminal justice system for the commoners i do not know.

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan@May 11 2005, 11:03 PM
Appropriate sentence for rape of a child is life without parole and a daily reaming of the anus with whatever crude implement is handy at the time.

Gross.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally posted by Agamemnon+May 11 2005, 10:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Agamemnon @ May 11 2005, 10:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-CaptainCrunch@May 11 2005, 10:31 PM
Re-offending is a choice that they have to physically make, and if they choose to do something that they know is wrong for a second time, then there's no need for them to be in society.

I guess I'd take issue with this. I don't believe that, upon birth, we're all equal, and that we all have an equal chance of becoming criminals. I think your parents, neighbourhood, city, country, and society are all factors in making you what you are.

If you're born in a ghetto, your parents are thieves, brothers and sisters are thieves, and friends are drug-dealers, how we expect you to live a socially acceptable lifestyle? If your options are break the law or live in poverty, do you really have an option? The hard-liners, of course, say 'yes, you always have an option'. I think people that say these things have never been to this place, when you're truly between a rock and hard place.

Just because someone keeps robbing liquor stores doesn't mean their brain is hard-wired to rob liquor stores. It could mean that thats the only way to make a decent living for them.

What's the incentive not to re-offend? Prison? Clearly that doesn't work... are these people born to be criminals, regardless of background? [/b][/quote]
If someone is that hardwired to rob liquor stores, get caught, goes to prison, has access to education, job skills training, counceling and then pops out and reoffends because he see's no other options, then I'm sorry he's not redeemable. At some point we lost the balance between rehab and punishment. At the moment jails aren't scary for career criminals anymore because they're used to it, and its a world that they can function in, whereas its not scary for them in society because we're so concerned about rehab, and slaps on the wrists that the victims rights are totally ignored.

Like I said give them all kinds of incentives and help after the first crime, but if they reoffend again, mark them a dangerous offender and throw away the key.

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by CaptainCrunch@May 12 2005, 12:03 AM
If someone is that hardwired to rob liquor stores, get caught, goes to prison, has access to education, job skills training, counceling and then pops out and reoffends because he see's no other options, then I'm sorry he's not redeemable. At some point we lost the balance between rehab and punishment. At the moment jails aren't scary for career criminals anymore because they're used to it, and its a world that they can function in, whereas its not scary for them in society because we're so concerned about rehab, and slaps on the wrists that the victims rights are totally ignored.

Like I said give them all kinds of incentives and help after the first crime, but if they reoffend again, mark them a dangerous offender and throw away the key.

Well, not surprisingly, I disagree.

I do not have faith that the 'rehabilitation' systems in prisons are up to snuff. Prisons are on record as being woefully, terribly underfunded and overcrowded. You make it sound like a thriving college campus.

What if guys in prison who take classes are beaten and raped because they're 'keeners'. By the time they've hit 18, they could have be stealing their entire life. What is jail going to give them? They're already convicts, its not like jobs are knocking their doors down.

I guess if I see 80% of small-time offenders re-offend, its because they haven't been given the opportunity _not_ to re-offend.

Its pretty clear to me we're not going to come together on this one. You think every individual is responsible for his or her actions, regardless of environment (or something close to that). I believe if you're born into crime, you'll turn to crime. I think prisons do little to prevent re-offenders.

I do not think that the reason re-offenders commit numerous crimes is because prison is too soft. I think you could make penalties even stiffer, and find the same rates of offence and re-offence. No idea where I'd look to find info to back that up though, it may never have been tried and recorded.

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally posted by Agamemnon@May 12 2005, 12:01 AM

Gross.

Not as gross as the rape of an 11 year old girl.

Sexual crimes against children require the vilest punishment that society can stomach. At the very least, anyone who rapes a child or molests a child should never see the light of day again.

I'm tired of reading about murdered 10 year old girls that were killed by a paroled child molester.

No second chances.

[Agamemnon]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan+May 12 2005, 12:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Displaced Flames fan @ May 12 2005, 12:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Agamemnon@May 12 2005, 12:01 AM

Gross.

Not as gross as the rape of an 11 year old girl.

Sexual crimes against children require the vilest punishment that society can stomach. At the very least, anyone who rapes a child or molests a child should never see the light of day again.

I'm tired of reading about murdered 10 year old girls that were killed by a paroled child molester.

No second chances.[/b][/quote]
I don't believe anyone, anywhere deserves the 'vilest punishment that society can stomach'. I surely hope society cannot stomach the forced-rape of inmates, regardless of crime.

As stated above, I'm against torturing criminals. The current prison-system, for many (most?) cases I'd consider torture.

Are they're violent people out there who's destiny seems to be to hurt others? Probably. And there should be a good way to deal with these people. If they can't help but be pedophiles/rapists/murderers, we should accept that and figure out a solution that separates them from the possibility of repeating the offence.

I don't believe in punishment equalling misery. I believe prison should be focused around the loss of freedom and rehabilitation (for those that science says can be rehabilitated). Currently, prison is focused on 'punishment', which is a euphamism for the oldest law not on the books; an eye for an eye. We pretend like its not, and redefine torture as something 'worse' than forced miserable incarceration because its convenient to us.

To each their own idea of 'punishment' I guess. The current way doesn't seem to be working too well, of that I'm fairly certain. I'm not of the opinion that harsher sentences = less offences either. If that were the case, it'd be easy to have a lawless society. Death for any offense.

[Displaced Flames fan]

In non-sexual crimes and crimes where CHILDREN are not the victims I might agree with you. However, because of the danger these people pose to society they should be locked away FOREVER. You can't lump these people in with drug dealers, murders, thiefs et al. History shows that these people not only repeat their crimes once released, the level of the crime escalates. The victims are completely innocent and utterly helpless to defend themselves.

Can you explain to me why these people deserve ANYTHING other than torture and eternal confinement?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan@May 11 2005, 06:36 PM

Can you explain to me why these people deserve ANYTHING other than torture and eternal confinement?

You realize of course that you are condoning state-sanctioned sexual assault, among a host of other things.

What kind of a society engages in that kind of behavior? Not one I'd like to be a part of, I know that. Ironically enough, it's that kind of behavior that is currently being used as a justification for military invasion and occupation.

Just for interest's sake, who would be the guy that metes out this kind of punishment? Would you volunteer to do the rusty-knife ass reamings, or would you want to be paid for your services?

[Displaced Flames fan]

I just realized that you guys are taking the crude implement thing to heart.

Jesus, that wouldn't fly and it was only a suggestion of what fits the crime. There is no punishment that fits the crime.

Lets get to the heart of the issue. Lock these people up forever. Man, it's amazing what gets focussed on while the bigger and far more important issues are ignored.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan@May 11 2005, 07:16 PM
I just realized that you guys are taking the crude implement thing to heart.

Jesus, that wouldn't fly and it was only a suggestion of what fits the crime. There is no punishment that fits the crime.

Lets get to the heart of the issue. Lock these people up forever. Man, it's amazing what gets focussed on while the bigger and far more important issues are ignored.

Well to be fair, you did say they deserve the vilest punishment we can cook up and asked why they don't deserve it, all after saying they should be sexually assaulted with any available implement. I'm sure you can understand my confusion.

I think though that we can find some pretty common ground. I'm not saying that I agree they should be locked up "forever" because I don't know what the solution is. Maybe that is it.

Torture, though, should not be a part of it. What would be the point?

[Displaced Flames fan]

They DO deserve it. It's not right for a government to impose that punishment though. In short, someone who rapes an 11 year old girl will never receive his due punishment, unless there is a hell.

I can see why the confusion, I guess I'm just surprised you would make the assumption that I thought it was ok for government to do that. When you guys mentioned state sanctioned rape I thought you were talking about prisoner-prisoner rape. That's how far off of what you assumed I really was.

The situation is sexual crimes against children. Put them away forever. That's my stance. Ag has a problem with the prison system, and frankly so do I....but that doesn't mean you should let these animals out because prison is torture. You work on finding solutions to the problems that cause this type of behavior....if that's even possible.

I don't care what conditions the prisons are....they could be country club like for all I care...just get these people away from our children. Forever.