Smoking Rate lowest its ever been

[zamler]

Originally Posted by peter12

That's BS. The amount of cars on the road emit magnitudes more pollution than all the smokers in the world. What you want to do is ban cars, not smoking. Or what you really want to do is tell other people what to do.

Cars serve a purpose, often a very important purpose. Smoking serves no useful purpose. And cars have steadily become cleaner and cleaner.

Originally Posted by peter12

Yeah, that's just rude. Just like harassing a smoker minding his own business is rude.

I'm wondering where the smokers exist that are "minding their own business". The fumes are so vile and noxious, they permeate into everything, even the slightest amount.

[Sr. Mints]

Based purely on my own anecdotal observations, I've thought the number of people smoking has decreased--at least the ones who run in my circles. I don't care if someone smokes, but I simply don't understand why anyone would want to.

[Weiser Wonder]

Just relax, it's just a little smoke. It's about as vile and noxious as you make it out to be in your head.

[Aegypticus]

If someone farts in public and I can smell it, I get upset. Same thing with smoking. I don't care if the person hasn't farted in a week, it still stinks.

[JohnnyB]

What about smoking cigars? Or pipes?
Who would consider them to be on par with cigarettes?

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Aegypticus

If someone farts in public and I can smell it, I get upset. Same thing with smoking. I don't care if the person hasn't farted in a week, it still stinks.

Except someone farting in public isn't going to cause you to develop cancer, breathing in second hand smoke (over a long period of time) can cause you to develop cancer. I would be interested to see in 20-30 years time the lung cancer rates after the removal of smoking from bars/nightclubs and whether there is a subsequent decrease. It just feels natural now for there to be no smoking in the bar, coming home at the end of the night and not smelling like putrid smoke is much different than before.

Also every single person on this board farts in public - you included.

[Brewmaster]

Originally Posted by Agent86

Except someone farting in public isn't going to cause you to develop cancer, breathing in second hand smoke (over a long period of time) can cause you to develop cancer.

Also every single person on this board farts in public - you included.

I don't believe that anyone is getting cancer from someone else's second hand smoke in an outside environment. The only place 2nd hand smoke is still a problem is inside the cars and homes of smokers. I'm not a smoker but I'm sick of people overreacting to others smoking outside in the public.

[V]

I quit about a year and a half ago, so now I think that all smokers can go to hell and die.

Stupid smokers.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by Brewmaster

I don't believe that anyone is getting cancer from someone else's second hand smoke in an outside environment. The only place 2nd hand smoke is still a problem is inside the cars and homes of smokers. I'm not a smoker but I'm sick of people overreacting to others smoking outside in the public.

LOL....Im not sure I want to be the guinea pig that chances the second hand smoke issue, and I HATE the putrid stench and the way that said stench hangs on my clothes simply by walking through that putrid cloud. If a car in front of me has a smoker with the windows rolled down I can smell that stench permeating my car...and IF this is over reacting I dont care one bit. Make smoking go the way of the Dodo bird.

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by Brewmaster

I don't believe that anyone is getting cancer from someone else's second hand smoke in an outside environment. The only place 2nd hand smoke is still a problem is inside the cars and homes of smokers. I'm not a smoker but I'm sick of people overreacting to others smoking outside in the public.

Why does it have to be about cancer? Why can't I just have the right to walk down the street and not breathe in somebody's exhaled smoke?

If was taking a leak outside a bar and you walked through the stream. Would not getting cancer make you ok with it? It's sick and disgusting - smoke at home or in your car.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Coys1882

Why does it have to be about cancer? Why can't I just have the right to walk down the street and not breathe in somebody's exhaled smoke?

If was taking a leak outside a bar and you walked through the stream. Would not getting cancer make you ok with it? It's sick and disgusting - smoke at home or in your car.

Well cars cause more damage to the environment, so you should be mad at them, not the guy peeing on your leg.

Seriously though, well played.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Aegypticus

If someone farts in public and I can smell it, I get upset. Same thing with smoking. I don't care if the person hasn't farted in a week, it still stinks.

Do NOT go to the NE Superstore then...

[holden]

Its incredible the lengths people go out of their way to be offended by something. The vitriolic reaction to the ultra minority of people who smoke by non-smokers is a little much. Smoking was removed from virtually every public space and yet the complaints haven't just remained, they've actually increased over time.

Its the non-confrontational wuss's that do the majority of whining about an act they never would have said anything about years ago when it was a much bigger % of people who smoked (and did it in public). Now its just people piling on a very small percentage of people that are doing something that's, for the most part, far removed from them.

Smoking is going away slowly but surely, so be patient. If people have such a problem with it they can write their MP's and find out why the f its even legal in the first place.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by holden

Its the non-confrontational wuss's that do the majority of whining about an act they never would have said anything about years ago when it was a much bigger % of people who smoked (and did it in public). Now its just people piling on a very small percentage of people that are doing something that's, for the most part, far removed from them.

Maybe the whiners you speak of are whining more because smokers are now smoking in places where it's actually illegal to do so? (ie. at the entrance to a pub)

[Cecil Terwilliger]

[Brewmaster]

Originally Posted by Cheese

LOL....Im not sure I want to be the guinea pig that chances the second hand smoke issue, and I HATE the putrid stench and the way that said stench hangs on my clothes simply by walking through that putrid cloud. If a car in front of me has a smoker with the windows rolled down I can smell that stench permeating my car...and IF this is over reacting I dont care one bit. Make smoking go the way of the Dodo bird.

This is exactly the overreacting I'm talking about. The smell of someone's second hand smoke outside is really not as bad as you're making it out to be. It's just a minor inconvenience that is part of living in a society where people are free to make their own choices.
Should we outlaw perfumes and colognes as well because I don't like the way it smells? Maybe dogs should be outlawed because pooping in public is gross.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by Brewmaster

This is exactly the overreacting I'm talking about. The smell of someone's second hand smoke outside is really not as bad as you're making it out to be. It's just a minor inconvenience that is part of living in a society where people are free to make their own choices.
Should we outlaw perfumes and colognes as well because I don't like the way it smells? Maybe dogs should be outlawed because pooping in public is gross.

Im going on a limb here, but most people who think that have lungs caked with niccotine. It is F'n bad.

I learned when I was very very young dealing with my parents that you cannot have a logical conversation about a topic, when that topic is something the other person is addicted to.

Then the other guy says smoking is ok because of car pollution? My god, that's like I don't deserve a speeding ticket because one time I saw someone driving faster than me.

I'm glad there is a social stigma attached to smoking. It says you can't be that bright and don't have much self control.

[Coys1882]

Originally Posted by Brewmaster

Should we outlaw perfumes and colognes as well because I don't like the way it smells?

Really? Last I checked Marlboro didn't have a chick at the Bay asking if you wanted a quick spray of 'eau d'deathstick' or 'Ashtray for Men'

[moon]

Maybe Lehtbridge is different than everywhere else but where are all of you going that you are getting so offened by smokers?

I can't remember the last time I had to endure the "stench" of smoke from some random smoker on the street, a doorway etc.

I head to the pub often enough and see the smokers but the 3 steps I make past them hardly gives me much chance to enhale a huge amount of smoke.

I think most people in here are hugely exagerating the effect/occurence that second hand smoke actually has on their life.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

The problem is that some of you guys are outright lying and using what are true facts about smoking (cancer) but you're completely lying about the realistic effects.

Second hand smoke does cause cancer. Many of you are forced to occasionally breathe second hand smoke. These are both facts.

But just like Lisa explaining to Homer about the Bear tax and her Tiger repelling rock I almost feel like you guys need to have someone explain that one breath (or even several) of second hand smoke does not cause cancer.

As a recent non-smoker who still indulges occasionally I get that you guys don't like second hand smoke. However, in reality it really is exactly like Brewmaster's analogy about cologne or other irritating smells.

I don't like people with BO or too much cologne. That is exactly like smoking. To say "well cologne doesn't cause cancer" has absolutely nothing to do with your dislike of a smell.

Until someone can prove that the odd 3 second exposure to second hand smoke causes cancer you guys are straight up lying and misrepresenting facts for dramatic effect.

There are literally zero instances in our society where you will ever be exposed to second hand smoke enough to negatively effect your health, so health related concerns to second hand smoke just aren't valid.

The only valid argument is that you don't like it and that is fine. But don't and say you fear for your life or you'll get cancer or bring up cancer at all because it has nothing to do with your dislike of breathing in second hand smoke for a few seconds at a time every few weeks (or months or years).

Even the arguments about lasting smell are disingenuous. Unless you're in an enclosed space for an extended period of time there will be no lasting effects to the smell of your clothes or your car or whatever.

All that being said people need to respect the 5m doorway laws and back the #### up. I don't like walking out of a pub into a plume of smoke. But I'm not so delusional as to suggest that plume of smoke that I didn't enjoy for 3 seconds is going to kill me.