Owners of Constantly Barking Dogs: You're a Bunghole and Your Neighbours Hate You

[4X4]

Originally Posted by Sliver

I don't think you understand my objection. I don't mind writing stuff down in a log. I do mind not being able to maintain my anonymity when/if it winds up in front of the courts. Suing your neighbour for breaking a bylaw can't possibly lead to good relations in the neighbourhood and that's something I value.

What other bylaws do you want me going around enforcing? My understanding is we have bylaw officers to investigate when people break bylaws. If I have a noise complaint at 11 p.m. I can call the police. But if that noise is a dog I have to keep a log for a number of weeks then go to court? That's ridiculous.

Do you know what these people look like? I mean, are they 900 years old with hearing aids or something? Or is it a 270lbs biker with tourettes?
Is it a bad idea to knock on their door (while the dog is barking away) and kindly ask them if they're FU**ING DEAF? (lol)

Seriously, I understand why you don't want to be "that guy", but on the other hand, sometimes being "that guy" isn't so bad. Communities need leaders, and obviously everyone else in the neighbourhood is reluctant to go pound on this dick's door, so maybe a youngish fellah like yourself needs to be the one to step up for all your neighbours.

It really pisses me off when I read about these situations. Some people shouldn't have dogs. There should be tests. Well actually, there are tests. When you adopt. Which is why I'm a huge proponent of adoption, and vehemently against pet stores and backyard breeders just selling dogs to anyone that feels like having a dog because they were at someone's house the other day, and their dog was soooooo cute!!!

Selling dogs should be illegal, IMNSHO, except for regulated and accredited breeders and adoption agencies.

[Russic]

The problem of talking to the neighbor is that:
1. should you choose to elevate your complaint anonymity will be gone
2. Should somebody else go to bylaw you'll be blamed

Animal owners can be crazy. I don't like having confrontations with them about their animals as it's so hard for many of them to not take it personally.

[Sliver]

This guy would probably intimidate most people, but I'm pretty big and not worried at all. It's a good approach you've suggested, but I don't want to do it for the reasons Russic mentioned.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Sliver

No I haven't discussed it with him because it removes any chance for plausible deniability if I can find a way to anonymously have bylaw enforce their bylaw. Talking to reasonable people can work. I have enough years on me now to know not all people are reasonable. If you don't have a problem with your multiple dogs barking 24/7, it's unlikely you're going to care if I show up on your door and politely ask you to have your dogs cut it out. You've already shown yourself to be unreasonable and to not care about your neighbours.

Another problem when approaching dog people about a complaint with their dog is everybody thinks they're the world's greatest dog owner. It's a battle you cannot win so I'm not going to even try.

And yes, there are crappy dogs. Dogs aren't some angelic being...they're just like people or any other animal. There are good ones and bad ones. I understand proper training can dramatically improve the behaviour of a bad dog, but frankly that doesn't help me with respect to the problem I'm having. I just want the dogs to stop constantly barking per the bylaw:

I know the bylaw, problem is its very difficult to make the neighbour take action against his / her dog (i.e. have to use the log etc....).

Sometimes a person, has no idea their dog is "so noisy". From my experience there are lots of owners that a pretty decent folks.

If chatting with him is not an option there is only 1 other option.

[Hevishot]

Toss some raw ground beef over the fence. They will shat all over the house in a good 30 mins maybe the neighbors will get the message.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by 4X4

Selling dogs should be illegal, IMNSHO, except for regulated and accredited breeders and adoption agencies.

WOW, that will make you un-popular.

In my opinion problem dog owners is a very...very small percentage.

[4X4]

Just think... In probably 50 years, there'll be some kind of hovering robot that will be dispatched by the City, that will get sent out on a complaint call, to monitor noise vioolations.

The dick with the dogs will see an orb hovering above his back yard and wonder which a-hole neighbour called the fuzz, never realizing that he's the a-hole.

[I_am_Beast]

Now i'm not saying I have had a neighbour with a barking dog all night, but an anonymous in their mailbox, or taped to their door, saying...

" it's easier to kill your barking dog then calling the city and putting in a complaint."

May or may not help, it's only a $200.00 fine if you do get caught killing an animal, which is alot cheaper than doing what the city wants, is a log of when the dog barks day and night for 2 weeks, a photo and discription of said dog, and they warn you also you may have to go to court as a witness.... I'd rather pay $200.00

Oddly enough, I so have a much quietier sleep at night now.....

[Old Yeller]

As a dog owner if I ever caught some random person throwing anything over the fence, whether it be ground beef of licorice or something potentially much worse, I'd be repeatedly introducing that person to the shovel I use to pick up my dogs crap.

Originally Posted by I_am_Beast

Now i'm not saying I have had a neighbour with a barking dog all night, but an anonymous in their mailbox, or taped to their door, saying...

" it's easier to kill your barking dog then calling the city and putting in a complaint."

May or may not help, it's only a $200.00 fine if you do get caught killing an animal, which is alot cheaper than doing what the city wants, is a log of when the dog barks day and night for 2 weeks, a photo and discription of said dog, and they warn you also you may have to go to court as a witness.... I'd rather pay $200.00

Oddly enough, I so have a much quietier sleep at night now.....

Jesus christ.... did you kill small woodland creatures as a child too?

[Shazam]

I used to live near a guy that totally neglected his dog. He would leave it out all night. It would bark, begging to be let back in. I did phone bylaw on him after a couple of weeks of this.

He also left the dog out when it was -7C one time. Fataing #######.

[4X4]

Originally Posted by flambers

WOW, that will make you un-popular.

In my opinion problem dog owners is a very...very small percentage.

1. I don't give a hooping funt whether my opinions are popular or not.

2. It should be illegal to sell dogs unless you're an accredited breeder or adoption agency.

[Old Yeller]

There are a few counties in the states that have made the sale of dogs illegal. The kill rate in shelters in those areas have gone down something like 30%.

Dogs are not impulse gifts... I agree 100% with 4X4.

[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by I_am_Beast

Now i'm not saying I have had a neighbour with a barking dog all night, but an anonymous in their mailbox, or taped to their door, saying...

" it's easier to kill your barking dog then calling the city and putting in a complaint."

May or may not help, it's only a $200.00 fine if you do get caught killing an animal, which is alot cheaper than doing what the city wants, is a log of when the dog barks day and night for 2 weeks, a photo and discription of said dog, and they warn you also you may have to go to court as a witness.... I'd rather pay $200.00

Oddly enough, I so have a much quietier sleep at night now.....

Wow you are a disgusting human being. Ever consider anger management? Or checking yourself into an insane asylum?

[Stay Golden]

If our dog is in the backyard at night and is finished his business and he starts barking at cats, noises, his "shadow" on the fence i feel obligated to get him inside so it isn't bothering our neighbours. It is common decency.

[The Yen Man]

I guess I got pretty lucky in that I'm in good terms with all my neighbours and they're all pretty level headed in dealing with stuff like their dogs barking. My one neighbour has two large dogs which used to bark quite a bit, but then he came and apologized to me (on his own btw, without me even complaining about it), and said he'd fix it. Now I hardly hear any barks anymore. Not sure if he got them trained or what, but they don't even bark now when they see me.

[Misterpants]

Sliver, on the whole anonymity, testifying in court, that is kinda B.S. What they are trying to do with the whole "log book" and "testify in court" tactic is to weed out the chronic complainers who are bored and need to complain and get all fired up for a day. You need to keep the log but maintain that you want to remain anonymous. The burden on collection of proof should be on by-law, not citizens. They know this, they are just trying to triage the amount of calls they get, knowing they can only deal with so many "barking dog"m files in a year. Worst comes to worst and they still need a bunch of hard proof to write these clowns a ticket, they can install noise monitors in the vicinty to gather all the evidence they need. Just keep at it, but hold your ground on not wanting to testify.

[Misterpants]

Originally Posted by 4X4

1. I don't give a hooping funt whether my opinions are popular or not.

2. It should be illegal to sell dogs unless you're an accredited breeder or adoption agency.

1. Please explain what a hooping funt is.

2. I will be using the term "hooping funt" on a regular basis from now on.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Misterpants

1. Please explain what a hooping funt is.

2. I will be using the term "hooping funt" on a regular basis from now on.

Ditto. I already use the term 'strugglers' regularly. He's re-defining my vulgar vocabulary.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by 4X4

1. I don't give a hooping funt whether my opinions are popular or not.

2. It should be illegal to sell dogs unless you're an accredited breeder or adoption agency.

Pure Breed can be un-healthy dogs if you are not careful and know what you are doing... I would not recommend this path.

I agree folks should try to buy or foster dogs from Adoption Agencies.... if possible.... Not every town has an adoption agency.

(I am associated to a Adoption Agency (have foster lots of dogs)).... but this is not an valid option for everyone. (i.e. some of them need a really good home and the Agency would not accept the application).

If you are from a small town in Alberta there are no Foster agencies.... etc

As for a third choice there is nothing wrong with buying a dog from a Farmer who is selling a great dog. Like a Heinz "57" etc....

[Old Yeller]

Flambers, I can see where you're coming from but it's more the Petsmart sales of "type" dogs that I have a problem with... but really, even if there are no foster agencies in a lot of small towns, is it that inconvenient to drive 3 to 4 hours to somewhere that does? I mean you're adopting a dog that's potentially going to be with you for well over a decade.

I volunteered at the humane society for a year or so and there were so many impulse buys that were taken to the pound because people didn't realize how much work fluffy actually was going to be... it drove myself and the staff nuts.... especially at Christmas time.

If everyone bought responsibly and did their research there would be no more puppy mills with awful conditions.

Of course some people shouldn't be having children let alone owning a dog but that's probably another thread.