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[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by THE SCUD

He's a Vancouver fan in hiding - lying on a resume is just the start of a slippery slope towards rioting.

Now I only have to wait 17 more years until the next Vancouver riot...I think I may need some other crimes to keep me busy until then

[KTrain]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Oh good, someone who knows nothing about me judging me. You are the perfect example of why not to tell people every little detail about your life in an interview.

Omitting an illness that I don't want to tell you about is not a lie in my eyes. Thank you for once again proving to me that people are judgemental and will discriminate at the drop of a hat.

But then I guess since I am obviously not an honest person that still makes you better than me. Funny how you can go around judging people you don't even know, lash out at them for no reason and think you are better than them. Preach somewhere else, I don't care what some interweb toughguy thinks of me.

You did recommend he lie in his interview by telling the interviewer that he was caring for an ailing relative when he wasn't.

Not explaining a personal illness is your right. However, if asked about a gap in your employment, you shouldn't lie. Go into the interview with an explanation for the gap that is truthful without having to reveal specifics. It should be a question you're prepared to answer, as you would prepare for any other question in the interview.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by KTrain

You did recommend he lie in his interview by telling the interviewer that he was caring for an ailing relative when he wasn't.

Not explaining a personal illness is your right. However, if asked about a gap in your employment, you shouldn't lie. Go into the interview with an explanation for the gap that is truthful without having to reveal specifics. It should be a question you're prepared to answer, as you would prepare for any other question in the interview.

After the question "Why did you not work for 18 months" and you reply it was health related, the obvious next question is along the lines of "What was wrong?". Once that comes out the rest of the interview is pooched because if you answer "I would rather not discuss it, but it will not effect my performance doing this job" the interviewer is not going to risk hiring you.

Also I don't feel that telling the interviewer that you took time off to care for an ill person is an issue. He did take time off to care for an illness, either the illness is gone or he is well enough to work now. I don't feel he should be excluded from getting a job based on something that was out of his control. Personal belief but I don't think he should not be hired because of an illness, society however doesn't feel this way.

It's easy to speak from the moral high ground until you have to fend for yourself.

Also it's easy to jump on someone for suggesting he 'lie' about why he was off for 18 months, but how many of you are on this forum while at work during company time? I could argue that is theft and worse than a 'lie'

[Rathji]

You shouldn't lie on your resume if you want to get/keep your job. Omitting non-relevant information is not lying, regardless of how you imagine a hypothetical job interview would go if you omitted that information.

If you feel that the omission of that information would cause some questions to be raised, then you should make sure you have an answer for those questions that take into account what people are allowed to ask in a job interview. For example, I am 99% certain you cannot ask any health related questions that are not directly related to performing the job in question.

[JustAnotherGuy]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Oh good, someone who knows nothing about me judging me. You are the perfect example of why not to tell people every little detail about your life in an interview.

Omitting an illness that I don't want to tell you about is not a lie in my eyes. Thank you for once again proving to me that people are judgemental and will discriminate at the drop of a hat.

But then I guess since I am obviously not an honest person that still makes you better than me. Funny how you can go around judging people you don't even know, lash out at them for no reason and think you are better than them. Preach somewhere else, I don't care what some interweb toughguy thinks of me.

What the hell are you talking about? I could care less what you lie about. Go to town. I was talking about you getting all pissy with the guy who said a person should not lie when applying for a job.

I choose to be honest in regard to many things in this world. Including applying for a job. That is how I see things. It doesn't make me, how did you say it? Holier than thou.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

What the hell are you talking about? I could care less what you lie about. Go to town. I was talking about you getting all pissy with the guy who said a person should not lie when applying for a job.

I choose to be honest in regard to many things in this world. Including applying for a job. That is how I see things. It doesn't make me, how did you say it? Holier than thou.

I'm not pissy at all actually, I am quite calm. Seems like you are the one who is getting all emotional.

Have I met you before? How do you know I haven't chose to be honest in life? I'm not the one passing judgement on other people, making it seem like you are better than them and have a better moral compass. You tell me me who is being holier than thou, here is the definition if you don't feel like looking it up.

Holier than thou - Exhibiting an attitude of superior virtue; self-righteously pious

People in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks. I know I'm not perfect but it sure sounds to me like you think you are.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I'm not pissy at all actually, I am quite calm. Seems like you are the one who is getting all emotional.

Have I met you before? How do you know I haven't chose to be honest in life? I'm not the one passing judgement on other people, making it seem like you are better than them and have a better moral compass. You tell me me who is being holier than thou, here is the definition if you don't feel like looking it up.

Holier than thou - Exhibiting an attitude of superior virtue; self-righteously pious

People in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks. I know I'm not perfect but it sure sounds to me like you think you are.

Its not about being perfect, its about doing something (lying on your resume) that directly contradicts the goal you are trying to achieve (getting and keeping a job).

[JustAnotherGuy]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I'm not pissy at all actually, I am quite calm. Seems like you are the one who is getting all emotional.

Have I met you before? How do you know I haven't chose to be honest in life? I'm not the one passing judgement on other people, making it seem like you are better than them and have a better moral compass. You tell me me who is being holier than thou, here is the definition if you don't feel like looking it up.

Holier than thou - Exhibiting an attitude of superior virtue; self-righteously pious

People in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks. I know I'm not perfect but it sure sounds to me like you think you are.

Is it just me or is this guy a complete contradiction?

[WilsonFourTwo]

Probably time to lock this one up. Or at least take the "Holier than thou" fighting to PM.

[Hilch]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

Eff you with your insult towards somebody who is honest. Obviously you are not an honest person. Don't try to drag other people down to your level. Thanks.

Canada Post employees are a funny bunch.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Rathji

Its not about being perfect, its about doing something (lying on your resume) that directly contradicts the goal you are trying to achieve (getting and keeping a job).

And back to the point I have made a few times, not talking about an illness that doesn't effect being able to do the job isn't lying. Why should you have to explain what was wrong with you for 18 months? Saying you were taking care of someone who was ill does not require you to give anymore information about your illness. It isn't a lie as you were off taking care of someone sick, the someone is just you.

I can see if it's a physical job like a fireman or police man where you have to be in pretty good physical condition, but if it's a desk job and you won't miss anymore time than a regular person it isn't anyones business what is wrong with you.

What if I have Crohn's disease, should I tell the interviewer that? I don't think so, they have no right to know what is wrong with me. I should have the right to be hired just like anyone else. If my disease causes me to not do my job well then good for you because you have grounds to fire me. People are still allowed to have privacy and heath issues are one of those things that you can keep private.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

Is it just me or is this guy a complete contradiction?

People can judge people and still think they are perfect it happens everday.

[Kybosh]

I'm pretty sure that companies are not legally able to ask what health issues a candidate may have. This is similar to them not being able to ask about ones sexual orientation.

You guys are arguing a moot point if a company cannot even ask the question.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Kybosh

I'm pretty sure that companies are not legally able to ask what health issues a candidate may have. This is similar to them not being able to ask about ones sexual orientation.

You guys are arguing a moot point if a company cannot even ask the question.

I don't believe that's true or accurate.

For example if someone has cancer and is applying for a job that requires 40 hours a week and the person can only work half that, then they can ask.

A perspective paramedic can be asked about existing medical conditions.

You can ask, the candidate can deny that information, but then it becomes a grounds for dismissal if it pops up later and it is a condition that would normally proclude that person from a job.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

And back to the point I have made a few times, not talking about an illness that doesn't effect being able to do the job isn't lying.

Then I am not sure why you think us saying that you shouldn't lie is relating to what you are talking about.

The discussion, as I read it, has involved many people pointing out to you that you shouldn't lie on a resume and that omitting facts isnt lying.

[Hockeyguy15]

Everyone was saying that it's a lie and bad to tell the interviewer that you were taking care of someone who was ill when you were the one sick for 18 months.

My point was if the illness you had doesn't prevent you from working anymore then it shouldn't matter what you tell them you took 18 months off for, it's none of their business. So telling them a 'lie' about taking care of someone sick was an acceptable way to explain why you didn't work for 18 months without having to give up private health information not valid to the job.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

Everyone was saying that it's a lie and bad to tell the interviewer that you were taking care of someone who was ill when you were the one sick for 18 months.

My point was if the illness you had doesn't prevent you from working anymore then it shouldn't matter what you tell them you took 18 months off for, it's none of their business. So telling them a 'lie' about taking care of someone sick was an acceptable way to explain why you didn't work for 18 months without having to give up private health information not valid to the job.

Your mis reading this in a lot of ways.

You have to make a decision on what your comfortable with. All you really have to say is that you took a hiatus from the workflow.

However I will warn you of this, that 18 months will become a laser beam focus attention size to anyone that interviews you, because an 18 month hole is massive, and because its so massive you can expect that a perspective employer will drill into that and learn as much as they can about that break.

Just be prepared for that.

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Your mis reading this in a lot of ways.

You have to make a decision on what your comfortable with. All you really have to say is that you took a hiatus from the workflow.

However I will warn you of this, that 18 months will become a laser beam focus attention size to anyone that interviews you, because an 18 month hole is massive, and because its so massive you can expect that a perspective employer will drill into that and learn as much as they can about that break.

Just be prepared for that.

I'm not even the one who asked about how to handle the 18 missing months, I was the one who said to tell the interviewer you were taking care of someone who was ill.